Proof there is a God

[MontiCristo]

She was born of sin nature, she just didn't sin before having Christ.

Nowhere in scripture.
Ideological banter

 

[acceptance]

Of all the extraordinary things in the Bible, Mary possibly being sinless strikes me as not that remarkable.

 

[Thumbpicker]

And the reason your camp is gaining numbers is because your crew continues to appeal to the masses by embracing homosexuality and abortion.

Really? Gees that's not very traditional. I guess they make it up as they go along ;-)

 

[MontiCristo]

Where does it say this in the Bible.

Romans 3:23

 

[Thumbpicker]

Of all the extraordinary things in the Bible, Mary possibly being sinless strikes me as not implausible.

It's against the whole premise of the need for Jesus. No one is sinless. The fall of man in Genesis.

 

[MontiCristo]

Of all the extraordinary things in the Bible, Mary possibly being sinless strikes me as not that remarkable.

Then you have no real understanding of Christianity. If Mary was sinless she would not need a savior (something Von can’t answer) and she would have never died

 

[VonBonfire]

But the Bible never says she was sinless.

The bible never says she sinned.

And the reason your camp is gaining numbers is because your crew continues to appeal to the masses by embracing homosexuality and abortion.

Orthodoxy is gaining members because it offers answers to confused protestants. It's gaining numbers because by and large it rejects homosexual marriage and abortion. You're talking about the roman catholics again. See, you don't even know what the heck you are talking about.

 

[Thumbpicker]

Romans 3:23

No I mean Mary. Where does it say Mary hasn't sinned.

The answer is nowhere does it say that.

 

[MontiCristo]

The bible never says she sinned.


Orthodoxy is gaining members because it offers answers to confused protestants. It's gaining numbers because by and large it rejects homosexual marriage and abortion. You're talking about the roman catholics again. See, you don't even know what the heck you are talking about.

Yes the Bible did dude
Paul is clear ALL humans sin.
How much more clear do you need.

 

[VonBonfire]

Really? Gees that's not very traditional. I guess they make it up as they go along ;-)

You always default to mockery when you've lost the debate.

 

[Thumbpicker]

The bible never says she sinned.

It does. Because it says "all have fallen short". It doesn't say "All have fallen short except for Mary".

 

[MontiCristo]

No I mean Mary. Where does it say Mary hasn't sinned.

The answer is nowhere does it say that.

It doesn’t
It completely goes against the entirety of scripture.

I ask Von again
Why would she need a savior if she was sinless? And how did she die?

 

[MontiCristo]

You always default to mockery when you've lost the debate.

The only one here losing is you man
Produce text showing she never sinned.
Them produce text showing she never died

 

[Thumbpicker]

You always default to mockery when you've lost the debate.

You have to be kidding. Your church and you by extension just make things up that aren't in the Bible.

 

[acceptance]

Then you have no real understanding of Christianity. If Mary was sinless she would not need a savior (something Von can’t answer) and she would have never died

I guess I'm not clear how Mary possibly not needing a savior would upend everything.

 

[VonBonfire]

Yes the Bible did dude
Paul is clear ALL humans sin.
How much more clear do you need.

Paul isn't the mother of God. You can wake up and choose not to sin today. Mary chose not to sin. Since she be born of sin nature. she still requires Christ.

 

[MontiCristo]

Paul isn't the mother of God. You can wake up and choose not to sin today. Mary chose not to sin. Since she be born of sin nature. she still requires Christ.

So Christ’s death atoned for Her “ability to sin” but not any actual sins?

Do you even understand basic theology?

 

[Thumbpicker]

Paul isn't the mother of God. You can wake up and choose not to sin today. Mary chose not to sin. Since she be born of sin nature. she still requires Christ.

You're making it up - there are no verses to support this at all.

Yes she was born with a sinful nature. Yes she was sinful. Yes she needed a saviour. end of story.

 

[VonBonfire]

You have to be kidding. Your church and you by extension just make things up that aren't in the Bible.

We are the oldest church, we are pre-denominational. We existed as a singular entity, the only church, for 1000 years. Keep trying.

 

[MontiCristo]

I guess I'm not clear how Mary possibly not needing a savior would upend everything.

Well for starters she would have defeated death like Christ and we know she didn’t