Proof there is a God

VonBonfire said:
We are the oldest church, we are pre-denominational. We existed as a singular entity, the only church, for 1000 years. Keep trying.
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So what - a Church of sinful men who make it up as they go along.

All Churches are made up of Sinful men by the way however we have the Bible to come back to as a benchmark. Not the edicts of those sinful men.
 
MontiCristo said:
So Christ’s death atoned for Her “ability to sin” but not any actual sins?
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I dunno, did it? The bible doesn't give a lengthy history on her life. That's something that is held in our holy tradition. Much like she was one of the virgins knitting the new veil for the temple. That also isn't in your bible. The writings of the early church fathers are something you guys have missed out on which is why you're so confused.
 
2 Timothy 3:16-17 English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
 
VonBonfire said:
I dunno, did it? The bible doesn't give a lengthy history on her life. That's something that is held in our holy tradition. Much like she was one of the virgins knitting the new veil for the temple. That also isn't in your bible. The writings of the early church fathers are something you guys have missed out on which is why you're so confused.
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And there it is folks
I want everyone on this thread paying attention to note this.

It is “church tradition” not inspired scripture. It is of men, not God.
It is heresy and it should be refuted and done away with.

Debate over.
 
Thumbpicker said:
2 Timothy 3:16-17 English Standard Version 2016 (ESV) All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
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2 Thessalonians 2 15

Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold to the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word or our epistle.
 
MontiCristo said:
And there it is folks
I want everyone on this thread paying attention to note this.

It is “church tradition” not inspired scripture. It is of men, not God.
It is heresy and it should be refuted and done away with.

Debate over.
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Exactly and this verse does away with their claim that their church tradition supercedes the Bible. We are correcting them from the Bible in this very thread straight from the Bible.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 English Standard Version 2016 (ESV)All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
 
MontiCristo said:
And there it is folks
I want everyone on this thread paying attention to note this.

It is “church tradition” not inspired scripture. It is of men, not God.
It is heresy and it should be refuted and done away with.

Debate over.
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What came first, the church or the New Testament?
 
VonBonfire said:
2 Thessalonians 2 15

Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold to the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word or our epistle.
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You forgot the verses before that for context. This debate is done.
You operate outside of inspired scripture.




13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you as the first fruits for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.


14 It was for this He called you through our gospel, that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.





Legacy Standard Bible. 2022. Three Sixteen Publishing.
 
VonBonfire said:
What came first, the church or the New Testament?
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The New Testament was written by the Apostles when there were many churches. Not one church. Paul visited quite a few of them. Various churches fell into various mistakes too. They needed correcting by Paul amongst others.

You could say it was predenominational but to say it was the Orthodox Church isn't exactly right either.
 
Thumbpicker said:
Exactly and this verse does away with their claim that their church tradition supercedes the Bible. We are correcting them from the Bible in this very thread straight from the Bible.
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So address 2 Thess 2:15 where it says we should hold to the traditions whether they are passed by word (of mouth) or our epistle )the scriptures).

Goodbye sola scriptura.
 
Thumbpicker said:
The New Testament was written by the Apostles when there were many churches. Not one church. Paul visited quite a few of them.
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The Old Testament
And Jesus is all over it.

Again. I’m done. @Thumbpicker blessings to you brother. Thanks for standing for truth.

@Von. I wish you well and pray you repent of this false teaching and come to know the true Christ who died for not only Mary’s sins, but ours as well. I mean no disrespect, you are misguided.

Good evening
 
Thumbpicker said:
The New Testament was written by the Apostles when there were many churches. Not one church. Paul visited quite a few of them. Various churches fell into various mistakes too. They needed correcting by Paul amongst others.

You could say it was predenominational but to say it was the Orthodox Church isn't exactly right either.
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There were many churches, but they were all of one faith. The church existed BEFORE how you find the NT today.
 
One last thing before
VonBonfire said:
So address 2 Thess 2:15 where it says we should hold to the traditions whether they are passed by word (of mouth) or our epistle )the scriptures).

Goodbye sola scriptura.
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easy
And for the record Paul never included Mary in any gospel presentation.
Gal 1:8



8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to the gospel we have proclaimed to you, let him be accursed!





Legacy Standard Bible. 2022. Three Sixteen Publishing.
 
MontiCristo said:
@Von. I wish you well and pray you repent of this false teaching and come to know the true Christ who died for not only Mary’s sins, but ours as well. I mean no disrespect, you are misguided.
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All the protestant heresies have been exposed long ago. Very thankful I got out of protestantism and found orthodoxy.
 
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