The EG5 Rocks!!!!!

[EWSEthan]

The thing about the SL2 that I know I like - is that it sounds very raw-- but not loose - if that makes any sense. It is still a tight and punchy high gain sound, but it has BALLS with hair on them. The 3/4 and MHG are actually a bit more refined.

+1

I know EXACTLY what youre talking about.

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

The thing about the SL2 that I know I like - is that it sounds very raw-- but not loose - if that makes any sense. It is still a tight and punchy high gain sound, but it has BALLS with hair on them. The 3/4 and MHG are actually a bit more refined.

+1

I know EXACTLY what youre talking about.

Are you sure sometimes you are a bit flighty!

 

[EWSEthan]

That is how I use the MHG. My predicament is playing covers I want to cover AC/DC to Led Zep to AIC and Tool. I can do a decent job by changing the gain on the amp or maybe even the volume on the guitar.

What modules are you using now? If you use a Bassman or T/D and SL2 (or EG5) and an overdrive pedal you can get close enough to all those tones. Set channel 1A clean, then 1B with a mid-grind for AC/DC and blues that you can push over the edge with an overdrive pedal for Zep. Then, run channel 2A as the main high gain rhythm sound for Tool and AiC. Then, setup channel 2B the same as 2A but with a little more gain and more volume for leads. DONE.

Dont worry so much about needing to use the same "amp" as the band your covering to get the tone. As long as the vibe is right in the same ballpark no one in the audience is going to go: "Is he playing Highway to Hell with a Deluxe module? What a jackass! This guy must be clueless!" They'll be too busy rocking out if youre doing your job right.

 

[EWSEthan]

The thing about the SL2 that I know I like - is that it sounds very raw-- but not loose - if that makes any sense. It is still a tight and punchy high gain sound, but it has BALLS with hair on them. The 3/4 and MHG are actually a bit more refined.

+1

I know EXACTLY what youre talking about.

Are you sure sometimes you are a bit flighty!

Why would you say that? Maybe because my favorite module high-gain always seems to be the one that is currently in the head at any given time?

 

[richedie]

That is how I use the MHG. My predicament is playing covers I want to cover AC/DC to Led Zep to AIC and Tool. I can do a decent job by changing the gain on the amp or maybe even the volume on the guitar.

What modules are you using now? If you use a Bassman or T/D and SL2 (or EG5) and an overdrive pedal you can get close enough to all those tones. Set channel 1A clean, then 1B with a mid-grind for AC/DC and blues that you can push over the edge with an overdrive pedal for Zep. Then, run channel 2A as the main high gain rhythm sound for Tool and AiC. Then, setup channel 2B the same as 2A but with a little more gain and more volume for leads. DONE.

Dont worry so much about needing to use the same "amp" as the band your covering to get the tone. As long as the vibe is right in the same ballpark no one in the audience is going to go: "Is he playing Highway to Hell with a Deluxe module? What a jackass! This guy must be clueless!" They'll be too busy rocking out if youre doing your job right.

Matt, I use the Bassman and MHG. I like your idea but I was going to get a Dunlop line driver for a clean boost. This way I can set my MHG A to medium gain and MHG B to high gain and just use the boost for leads on all channels! MHG A and B are pretty close! B might be a touch more compressed? If that is the case...your idea works better. Heck I could use the B channel for leads on everything. We'll see. I just hat the though of any overdrive pedal into this amp because it sounds so good on its own!

 

[EWSEthan]

You can cover all you need with Bassman and MHG. Xotic BB Preamp sounds great driving my TD module. Im sure itd be great with Bassman too. MHG channels are both identical.

 

[richedie]

You can cover all you need with Bassman and MHG. Xotic BB Preamp sounds great driving my TD module. Im sure itd be great with Bassman too. MHG channels are both identical.

I didn't realize the MHG chanels are identical. All the more reason to make one low-medium gain and one high gain. Then with a clean volume boost like the Dunlop, I would be set! I find I can easily EQ these modules for rhyth mand lead. With the Xotic BB Preamp, it may be one more thing I don't need, ya know? With that I'd have to kick on the BB for specific tones but still need to kick in my boost pedal for leads.

With your method outlined in the other post, I would be using my MHG B for all leads. I would want more variety with lead tones. If the MHG is truly the same on both channels I could easily have four channels plus a boost pedal(clean volume boost for leads)

What other modules are identical A and B???? or...work well low(A), high gain(B)?

 

[richedie]

Hi Matt, I wanted to bring up this post again because it was helpful. I am still confused how so many are using the MHG live if it doesn't cut????? I let a guy use my Mod 50 live and the tone was insane! I thought the MHG sounded thick and rich and huge! There was another amp on stage and it was a small Marshall combo and then a Fener 212 combo.

What do you guys think is best with the Mod 50 for leads and versatility? Just a boost or gain pedal, EQ or clean boost pedal? I don't want a gain pedal to lose the natural tone of the amp. I was thinking just a plain clean boost like the Dunlop line driver for leads. I could always lower the gain on the amp on the MHG for things like Led Zep.

 

[3 Mile Stone]

If you want unaltered I'd go with any of the many clean boost pedals out there. Short list - Fulltone Fat Boost, Keeley Katana, z-Vex SHO, Xotic RC Booster.

I have had very good results with the Xotic stuff and I've had a Fulltone Fat Boost on my board forever.

 

[fuzzyguitars]

If you want unaltered I'd go with any of the many clean boost pedals out there. Short list - Fulltone Fat Boost, Keeley Katana, z-Vex SHO, Xotic RC Booster.

I have had very good results with the Xotic stuff and I've had a Fulltone Fat Boost on my board forever.

i use the zvez super hard on super duper.

just great for solos!

 

[richedie]

Thanks guys, I think this will give me more tones from the amp because now I only use channel B of the high gain module for leads. With a lead boost pedal I could dial in channel A for lower gain stuff and channel B for higher gain then just have the boost pedal for all channels!

Is this a better route than using an EQ pedal in the loop? Right now I use a delay in the parallel loop and it works well so I am not sure I can use an EQ in the parallel loop. I'll have to check.

I'll look at the Fulltone Fat Boost, the Keeley Katana, z-Vex SHO, and the Xotic RC Booster. What about the Dumlop line driver? They say that can be used to add sparkle back to your rig but I don't notice any huge change when i use my board or not. I also don't know if the line driver can be used for a booster while still using it to drive all the pedals, etc.

Remember, I am just looking for a small boost pedal for leads adding volume and mids....not looking necessarily add gain. Some of these day it helps cut down on tone degradation but I would only be using for leads.

 

[hank]

talking about CLEAN boost, this is definitely worth a look: http://www.barberelectronics.com/LaunchPad.htm

 

[richedie]

Thanks Hank! I appreciate it...but I do think I want something that gives me some control over EQ so I can boost some mids.

 

[EWSEthan]

If you want a volume boost, you need to put it in the loop. Putting an overdrive pedal or boost pedal in front of the amp will just result in you hitting the preamp section harder, hence producing more gain not volume. I dont know of any overdrive / boost pedals that will work in the MOD 50s loop, but then again I never looked since I just boost the gain and volume of channel B of whatever high gain module Im using for solos. Ive never had a problem being heard with EG5 or SL2.

 

[richedie]

If you want a volume boost, you need to put it in the loop. Putting an overdrive pedal or boost pedal in front of the amp will just result in you hitting the preamp section harder, hence producing more gain not volume. I dont know of any overdrive / boost pedals that will work in the MOD 50s loop, but then again I never looked since I just boost the gain and volume of channel B of whatever high gain module Im using for solos. Ive never had a problem being heard with EG5 or SL2.

Thanks, I thought some guys on here use boosts up front!? Remember, this is only for leads, nothing else. I do what you do, with my MHG, have the channel B set with more volume and maybe gain for leads. But that is limiting because if I want to use channel A for both low gain and high gain I have to keep adjusting the amp's gain per song. Alternatively, I can just roll back my guitar's volume which may be prefered!

Also, consider the SL2. The MHG have identical channels. The SL2 are very different. Channel B is like a hotrodded JCM 800. I would want to use channel B like a lower gain Marshall and chanel B like a hot rodded Marshall. Then what do I do for leads? I would need a clean boost.

The Keely boost sounds nice....he says it is like hearing your amp, only louder. Idealy I would like to have control over EQ to maybe add some mids but I use a lot of mids anyway.

 

[EWSEthan]

I guess it depends on how many different levels of gain you need at your feet for the course of a show. For me, module slot 2 is exclusively high gain. Rhythms on channel A, leads on B. I dont need to have different levels of high gain. Then, with module slot 1, I run a BMan which gives me awesome cleans on channel A and great mid-gain grind on channel B.

SL2 has enough gain on channel A. It can do Appetite for Destruction no problem. How much gain do you need?

Rich, you sound like a great candidate for an E2. You need more than 2 modules for what you want to do. Get yourself one of those with an EG3/4 and a COD. Then, you'll have more tones at your feet than you'll know what to do with!

 

[jmgman69]

I guess it depends on how many different levels of gain you need at your feet for the course of a show. For me, module slot 2 is exclusively high gain. Rhythms on channel A, leads on B. I dont need to have different levels of high gain. Then, with module slot 1, I run a BMan which gives me awesome cleans on channel A and great mid-gain grind on channel B.

SL2 has enough gain on channel A. It can do Appetite for Destruction no problem. How much gain do you need?

Rich, you sound like a great candidate for an E2. You need more than 2 modules for what you want to do. Get yourself one of those with an EG3/4 and a COD. Then, you'll have more tones at your feet than you'll know what to do with!

YEP! Need more modules!

 

[3 Mile Stone]

If you want a volume boost, you need to put it in the loop. Putting an overdrive pedal or boost pedal in front of the amp will just result in you hitting the preamp section harder, hence producing more gain not volume. I dont know of any overdrive / boost pedals that will work in the MOD 50s loop, but then again I never looked since I just boost the gain and volume of channel B of whatever high gain module Im using for solos. Ive never had a problem being heard with EG5 or SL2.

The Keely boost sounds nice....he says it is like hearing your amp, only louder. Idealy I would like to have control over EQ to maybe add some mids but I use a lot of mids anyway.

If you want a boost with a slight and pleasant mid bump try a Xotic AC Booster. I use this one before the amp and it adds a slight mid bump for cut, gain and plenty of volume in one box. Love it.

 

[richedie]

I guess it depends on how many different levels of gain you need at your feet for the course of a show. For me, module slot 2 is exclusively high gain. Rhythms on channel A, leads on B. I dont need to have different levels of high gain. Then, with module slot 1, I run a BMan which gives me awesome cleans on channel A and great mid-gain grind on channel B.

SL2 has enough gain on channel A. It can do Appetite for Destruction no problem. How much gain do you need?

Rich, you sound like a great candidate for an E2. You need more than 2 modules for what you want to do. Get yourself one of those with an EG3/4 and a COD. Then, you'll have more tones at your feet than you'll know what to do with!

For gain, I need from Led Zep to Ozzy to Tool and Alice in Chains.

What is E2? That extension rack thing? I really don't want any add-ons, LOL. I am trying to keep it simple...and I thikn I would be fine with the standard MOD 50 and a boost pedal when I need it.

Heck, I have a friend who gigs with nothing but a Marshall DSL and does three cover sets a night! All he does is leaves it on the gain channel and uses his volume knob and they cover everything! I can do it...LOL!

Xotic AC Booster - this looks nice but I do not necessarily need a gain boost...just volume and some mids. This one keeps coming up though.

 

[jmgman69]

I guess it depends on how many different levels of gain you need at your feet for the course of a show. For me, module slot 2 is exclusively high gain. Rhythms on channel A, leads on B. I dont need to have different levels of high gain. Then, with module slot 1, I run a BMan which gives me awesome cleans on channel A and great mid-gain grind on channel B.

SL2 has enough gain on channel A. It can do Appetite for Destruction no problem. How much gain do you need?

Rich, you sound like a great candidate for an E2. You need more than 2 modules for what you want to do. Get yourself one of those with an EG3/4 and a COD. Then, you'll have more tones at your feet than you'll know what to do with!

For gain, I need from Led Zep to Ozzy to Tool and Alice in Chains.

Bman,SL2 and a killer boost pedal done!