Well All My Gear May Be Destroyed...

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at least Oprah's houses in Hawaii and California are ok.

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I'm guessing many won't be able to rebuild (not only for the costs, but with the insurance limits or no insurance, large number of houses destroyed, building materials and builders are going to be in high demand, expensive, and too few), and some may be forced to sell their land at significant discount or loss to wealthier buyers.

I haven't checked in awhile, but I do recall a few stories about the areas hit in NC by the hurricane last year include many areas with significant rare earth deposits.

Seems there's an effort to move the little people from high value areas in Hawaii, LA, NC,...



I'm sure the billionaires and Blackrock, Vangard and State Street will be able to get fire insurance after they get done hoovering up the peasant's properties for pennies on the dollar now that the homes that were worth millions to tens of millions of dollars and more are now gone erasing their market value and most people will just leave out of frustration.

Attributing all this to climate change is merely convenient for the politicians that want to have cover for their basic failures of management and squandering the taxpayers money on other pet projects....I'm sure Newsome will find the culprits as to where all those millions/billions were spent. Everyone knows LA and most of California is high desert country and the only reason those areas were livable on the scale that it is now was due to man's intervention of aqueducts and bringing massive amounts of water to the region. California and Las Vegas have pretty much drained the Colorado river dry when millions live in an arid desert region the water use is going to massive.

 
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So your perspective is "climate change is fake but you should have done more about it."
Please point out where I ever said climate change is fake.
Everything I have posted about these wildfires have been about the failure of leadership. Climate change only comes into the picture when people like you try to blame the wildfires 100% on that to make excuses for incompetency.

You're new around here so I guess you can have a partial pass on not knowing my stance on climate change. So let me inform you. Quick background for reference; my education and half my professional career was in ecology & environmental management. I do think climate change is happening. It's rather naive to think humans don't have an impact on the environment. Even single celled organisms can have an impact on global environment. I also think climate change caused by humans has been highly politicized and blown out of proportion. The raw data speaks to this, but politicians and activists have manipulated the final statistics to be bias in their favor. (sidebar: read the book How to Lie with Statistics if you haven't.) It isn't near as bad as people are trying to make it out to be. Furthermore all these climate mitigation measure/laws put into effect (generally by the left) are completely useless. And in some cases are more detrimental to the environment. They're nothing more than virtue signaling and empty gestures under the guise that they're making a difference while lining their pockets on the public's ignorance.
 
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You mean to tell me the fire just burned all the cars but didn’t touch any of the trees and foliage on the left or the right???
I can't speak for what's going on with the cars. Unless the photo doesn't show it well enough I find the lack of scorch marks and/or soot a little odd.

The unburned trees however look rather normal and consistent with a wide firebreak like that road. Most trees; especially pines and their relatives which appears to be in the pic, are very resilient to fire. They'll show minimal scorching if any at all on the bark if the flames aren't actually touching them. Even if dried out by the heat of the fire, they'll remain green as well.
 
You can keep saying climate change as much as you want. That still doesn't change the fact that water and forestry were completely mismanaged by those in charge. Let's say climate change is as bad as you are trying to portray it to be. You'd think that since leaders knew about climate change and it's large influence on wildfires they would have taken extra measures to prevent them and mitigate any that broke out. You know, things like building extra reservoirs, making sure they were filled, underbrush was cleared, numerous fire breaks put in place, etc. California's leaders are incompetent and completely failed you. Stop trying to pass the buck and make excuses for them.
Yeah i typically stay out of politics, etc. but you are right. It is like a restaurant burning down because an oven was defective and then finding out the restaurant had no fire extinguishers, sprinklers, etc. It doesnt give anyone a pass. Areas that are becoming drier and affected by extreme conditions should be even MORE planned for this type of stuff.
 
Right-wing commentators have blamed the devastating Southern California wildfires on Los Angeles Fire Chief Kristin Crowley, claiming that she has prioritized implementing pro-diversity initiatives over her duties.

Crowley, who is a lesbian, has borne the brunt of the right-wing’s outrage despite the fact there’s no evidence that she’s either unqualified for her job (she was in the top 50 of 16,000 applicants when she passed her firefighter exam) or that the department’s diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) initiatives took money away from firefighting efforts.

Experts believe that the wildfires currently ravaging Southern California are caused by climate change, which has altered wind and rain patterns in the region, and, when combined with a lack of rainfall, hot Santa Ana winds that have dehydrated vegetation, and a series of extended droughts that have plagued California in recent years, creates fires that are more severe and harder to contain.

Additionally, the Los Angeles infrastructure contains an abundance of flammable materials, including low-hanging power cables and wooden telephone poles, that make perfect fuel for a fire. Due to these conditions, any small spark can lead to an out-of-control fire.

Still, according to conservative news outlets, the wildfires are an example of “death by DEI,” in which either allegedly unqualified individuals are promoted to positions where they are ineffective in stopping natural disasters or preventable crimes, or where people in positions of power have prioritized diversifying their workforce over promoting people on “merit.”

As noted by journalist Emery Winter of the fact-checking website VERIFY, claims that local officials failed to ensure that the city’s water tanks and fire hydrants were sufficiently full of water are false. Rather, according to local officials, the hydrants used by firefighters ran out of water because of “high water demand that is outpacing the speed at which water service officials can replenish the tanks.”

Jeffrey Mount, a senior fellow at the PPIC Water Policy Center, told VERIFY that there isn’t a shortage of water in the area’s reservoirs. Additionally, the California Department of Water Resources website shows that the state’s major reservoirs are at or above their historic levels.

Mike Beasley, the head of the board of Firefighters United for Safety Ethics and Ecology, told National Public Radio that blaming DEI for the current difficulties extinguishing wildfires has “only slightly more credibility than the Jewish space laser theories.”


“There is no number of people that will stop all the fires in the middle of a hot, dry season with the climate-charged fuel aridity. There just isn’t,” Beasley said. “With these Santa Ana winds happening, it’s just about getting people out of the way. It’s not really about putting the fire out until the winds calm down.”

He added that right-wingers’ accusations of DEI are nothing more than political pandering to their ideological allies.

“No fire agency is going to sacrifice training and fundamental fire control and fundamental operations at the expense of DEI training,” he said.
All interesting information. Did you happen to listen to that Lesbian Fire Chief that was quoted actually said in regard to placing blame? Or are you ignoring her expert commentary because she directly assigns responsibility on the shoulders of local and State government?



In recent posts you claimed that another member here "doesn't know how fire works". That may be true...But does Chief Crowley? I'm quite certain you will ignore this post because her detailed commentary doesn't support the narrative you are pushing here. Perhaps, like Bill Maher, The Young Turks (and MANY other left leaning pundits), our Lesbian Fire Chief is also secretly part of the far right conspirators that are trying obfuscate the role of climate changer and blame California's Liberal governance? PLease do explain, as many of us seem to want to take the word of the actual experts and first responders over your opinion. Stange, but true.
 
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Exactly as expected...no response. I see that you have now resorted to posting a "laugh" emoji to posts to which you have no logical retort....As I have said previously: The fact that you seem to get a perverse pleasure out of pushing a political narrative on the backs on people's personal tragedy (my friends and neighbors in the Palisades) says a lot about you as a human being. You have been treading in bad person territory throughout this thread. Trust me we will remember it. Have fun.
 
Exactly as expected...no response. I see that you have now resorted to posting a "laugh" emoji to posts to which you have no logical retort....As I have said previously: The fact that you seem to get a perverse pleasure out of pushing a political narrative on the backs on people's personal tragedy (my friends and neighbors in the Palisades) says a lot about you as a human being. You have been treading in bad person territory throughout this thread. Trust me we will remember it. Have fun.
Part of being a senior leader in any organisation is what can uncharitably be described as "playing politics". And part of playing politics is making sure blame doesn't land at your feet.

Could the Fire Chief be blamed for the utter shit show that this has been? Very easily. In fact, they're probably the most likely candidate to be blamed. And the result of being the person held at fault will, for someone like a Fire Chief, almost certainly be resignation/dismissal. Especially in the current anti-DEI climate, where her being female and gay, and a public proponent of diversity initiative, would definitely form part of any narrative that started against her.

In order to survive with her job intact, she needs to give the public someone else to blame. And the Mayor is a fairly easy target, especially given the budget cut that her name is signed on.

In reality the budget cut is a more nuanced situation, where technically yes the budget was sort of cut, but also technically it was increased. Just depends what numbers you want to use. The real truth is probably that the budget hasn't been increased nearly enough over recent years, given the increasing threat of massive wildfires. But that wouldn't be as effective a narrative for the Fire Chief to use, not if she wants to save her own job.

>And was this really the best time to attack the mayor like this?

If the Fire Chief wants to save her job, she can't risk letting someone else set the narrative.
 
Guys, I think what some people fail to grasp is that a lot of the reasons brought forth can co-exist.
Meaning, that both mismanagement AND climate change can be attributed to the cause.
It seems that certain political leanings want to fully place the blame on one thing and ignoring any other thing, that doesn't fit their narrative.

So, Newsom was probably mismanaging things, climate change is not fake and has affected California, that butch DEI hire should definitely not have victim blamed 'blabla in the wrong place', *and* Blackrock & co are fuckin' vultures.
ALL THOSE THINGS CAN BE TRUE. It's not an or/or, but an and/and.
 
Part of being a senior leader in any organisation is what can uncharitably be described as "playing politics". And part of playing politics is making sure blame doesn't land at your feet.

Could the Fire Chief be blamed for the utter shit show that this has been? Very easily. In fact, they're probably the most likely candidate to be blamed. And the result of being the person held at fault will, for someone like a Fire Chief, almost certainly be resignation/dismissal. Especially in the current anti-DEI climate, where her being female and gay, and a public proponent of diversity initiative, would definitely form part of any narrative that started against her.

In order to survive with her job intact, she needs to give the public someone else to blame. And the Mayor is a fairly easy target, especially given the budget cut that her name is signed on.

In reality the budget cut is a more nuanced situation, where technically yes the budget was sort of cut, but also technically it was increased. Just depends what numbers you want to use. The real truth is probably that the budget hasn't been increased nearly enough over recent years, given the increasing threat of massive wildfires. But that wouldn't be as effective a narrative for the Fire Chief to use, not if she wants to save her own job.

>And was this really the best time to attack the mayor like this?

If the Fire Chief wants to save her job, she can't risk letting someone else set the narrative.

Holy shit dude, you're fully out of your mind delusional if you believe even a small piece of you what you said here. This it shar-vell Dan territory.
 
Part of being a senior leader in any organisation is what can uncharitably be described as "playing politics". And part of playing politics is making sure blame doesn't land at your feet.

Could the Fire Chief be blamed for the utter shit show that this has been? Very easily. In fact, they're probably the most likely candidate to be blamed. And the result of being the person held at fault will, for someone like a Fire Chief, almost certainly be resignation/dismissal. Especially in the current anti-DEI climate, where her being female and gay, and a public proponent of diversity initiative, would definitely form part of any narrative that started against her.

In order to survive with her job intact, she needs to give the public someone else to blame. And the Mayor is a fairly easy target, especially given the budget cut that her name is signed on.

In reality the budget cut is a more nuanced situation, where technically yes the budget was sort of cut, but also technically it was increased. Just depends what numbers you want to use. The real truth is probably that the budget hasn't been increased nearly enough over recent years, given the increasing threat of massive wildfires. But that wouldn't be as effective a narrative for the Fire Chief to use, not if she wants to save her own job.

>And was this really the best time to attack the mayor like this?

If the Fire Chief wants to save her job, she can't risk letting someone else set the narrative.

As suspected, you didn't like what she had to say did you? doesn't fit the agenda to well does it? And your response is to attack her and the fire fighters?

She's probably just another ignorant person "who doesn't understand how fire works"?

Blame the first responders who are risking their lives. I stand corrected, you are a good person after all. Congratulations on a new low for you in the context of this thread.

Really should consider quitting while you're ahead...But you won't.

Like I said, have fun.
 
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So, Newsom was probably mismanaging things, climate change is not fake and has affected California, that butch DEI hire should definitely not have victim blamed 'blabla in the wrong place', *and* Blackrock & co are fuckin' vultures.
ALL THOSE THINGS CAN BE TRUE. It's not an or/or, but an and/and.
Climate change as it's presented is complete bullshit. Earth's average temps have always fluctuated from hot and humid all the way to an ice age. So even basic grade school science conflicts with how it's being sold to us by our favorite celebrity musicians and actors.
 
Holy shit dude, you're fully out of your mind delusional if you believe even a small piece of you what you said here. This it shar-vell Dan territory.
Relax...He probably doesn't actually believe it. Nobody with an IQ above 60 actually does...He's likely some combination of lonely and bored. I've been both at times in my life, so I can sympathize. I'm probably taking this a bit personally as my home town just burned to the ground and people are suffering immensely.
 
Relax...He probably doesn't actually believe it. Nobody with an IQ above 60 actually does...He's likely some combination of lonely and bored. I've been both at times in my life, so I can sympathize. I'm probably taking this a bit personally as my home town just burned to the ground and people are suffering immensely.
No worries. He's proven himself a troll and his comments don't actually bother me. That one was just so shockingly stupid I couldn't help but to give a more extreme response.
 
Climate change as it's presented is complete bullshit. Earth's average temps have always fluctuated from hot and humid all the way to an ice age. So even basic grade school science conflicts with how it's being sold to us by our favorite celebrity musicians and actors.
Rrrright...so it's purely coincidental that the general rise in average temperatures over the last 100-150 years just happens to be in the exact same time since we had an industrial revolution, a world population that has grew exponentially, CO2 emissions , etc...

Dude, even if this is an 'expected cycle', it takes ages! So what, would you only accept 'climate change' being real if the upcoming ice age will be warmer than the previous one?

Also, my sources wouldn't be Beyonce and Steve-O... I'm a *liiiittle bit* more inclined to listen to these guys:
https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/

https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/

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How Do We Know Climate Change is Real?

There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming at an unprecedented rate. Human activity is the principal cause.

Earth-orbiting satellites and new technologies have helped scientists see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate all over the world. These data, collected over many years, reveal the signs and patterns of a changing climate.
 
Guys, I think what some people fail to grasp is that a lot of the reasons brought forth can co-exist.
Meaning, that both mismanagement AND climate change can be attributed to the cause.
It seems that certain political leanings want to fully place the blame on one thing and ignoring any other thing, that doesn't fit their narrative.

So, Newsom was probably mismanaging things, climate change is not fake and has affected California, that butch DEI hire should definitely not have victim blamed 'blabla in the wrong place', *and* Blackrock & co are fuckin' vultures.
ALL THOSE THINGS CAN BE TRUE. It's not an or/or, but an and/and.
Agreed.
 
Relax...He probably doesn't actually believe it. Nobody with an IQ above 60 actually does...He's likely some combination of lonely and bored. I've been both at times in my life, so I can sympathize. I'm probably taking this a bit personally as my home town just burned to the ground and people are suffering immensely.
My neighborhood has almost burned from wildfire 5 times in the last 3 years. So I feel your pain. Prior to the last decade, wildfires burning entire towns or huge areas was an extremely rare event. Now it's occurring regularly, even during the wet season. Everyone not blinded by political bias sees this.
Politicians and bureaucrats are humans, and therefore will make errors in judgement and execution. The common thread between all these disasters is that the earth is getting warmer overall, which leads to extreme weather events becoming far more likely. And it's only going to increase over time. Take care. I truly am glad that your house and possessions were spared. All the best for the rebuilding process.
 
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