Well All My Gear May Be Destroyed...

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Just my two cents but I think people spend more time than they should defending politicians on either side and/or thinking they always impact decisions.

Anyone who has worked in government knows there is someone up there yapping and the face of (fill in the blank). Behind them are the unseen 1000s of people actually moving bills, swaying decisions, talking to the average person.

I'm not trying to irritate anyone, just being honest. There are a lot of unsung heroes that can help more than some politician. When the tornadoes came thru the U.S., there were a bunch of us delivering water and food and helping people cut tree branches, remove damage, way before FEMA even arrived. We just all started doing it. The government should help but don't look up to them or expect them to miraculously save everyone. Just my opinion.
 
VonBonfire said:
VonBonfire said:
One day undisputed science becomes disputed. Or are you still a phrenology guy? "But the evidence is clear" according to the article. Written before the fires have even been put out? :LOL::LOL::LOL:
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The existence of the greenhouse effect, while not named as such, was proposed as early as 1824 by Joseph Fourier.[2] The argument and the evidence were further strengthened by Claude Pouillet in 1827 and 1838. In 1856 Eunice Newton Foote demonstrated that the warming effect of the sun is greater for air with water vapour than for dry air, and the effect is even greater with carbon dioxide.
 
VonBonfire said:
One day undisputed science becomes disputed. Or are you still a phrenology guy? "But the evidence is clear" according to the article. Written before the fires have even been put out? :LOL::LOL::LOL:
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An analysis by University of California, Los Angeles, climate scientists found that vegetation in the area where Palisades and Eaton Fires ignited was 25 percent drier than it would have been in the absences of climate change. “We believe that the fires would still have been extreme without the climate change components noted above, but would have been somewhat smaller and less intense,” said the analysis’s authors in a press release from U.C.L.A.
 
So is water access a public service or private venture? If the infrastructure is built with taxpayer funds then it should be publicly owned. Here's some history. Taking a 117 million gallon reservoir off line for over a year and not informing the Fire Chief according the chief is not caused by climate change..that is pure deflection. California has been dealing with brush and forest fires for decades but in the last ten years appears to have forgotten how to prevent and fight fires.
 
PhoneyIommi said:
An analysis by University of California, Los Angeles, climate scientists found that vegetation in the area where Palisades and Eaton Fires ignited was 25 percent drier than it would have been in the absences of climate change. “We believe that the fires would still have been extreme without the climate change components noted above, but would have been somewhat smaller and less intense,” said the analysis’s authors in a press release from U.C.L.A.
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That speculation, not a hard, proven fact.
 
Pennies on the dollar.....According to real estate investor Josh Altman, it has begun.......
 
PhoneyIommi said:
An analysis by University of California, Los Angeles, climate scientists found that vegetation in the area where Palisades and Eaton Fires ignited was 25 percent drier than it would have been in the absences of climate change. “We believe that the fires would still have been extreme without the climate change components noted above, but would have been somewhat smaller and less intense,” said the analysis’s authors in a press release from U.C.L.A.
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You can keep saying climate change as much as you want. That still doesn't change the fact that water and forestry were completely mismanaged by those in charge. Let's say climate change is as bad as you are trying to portray it to be. You'd think that since leaders knew about climate change and it's large influence on wildfires they would have taken extra measures to prevent them and mitigate any that broke out. You know, things like building extra reservoirs, making sure they were filled, underbrush was cleared, numerous fire breaks put in place, etc. California's leaders are incompetent and completely failed you. Stop trying to pass the buck and make excuses for them.
 
harddriver said:
So is water access a public service or private venture? If the infrastructure is built with taxpayer funds then it should be publicly owned. Here's some history. Taking a 117 million gallon reservoir off line for over a year and not informing the Fire Chief according the chief is not caused by climate change..that is pure deflection. California has been dealing with brush and forest fires for decades but in the last ten years appears to have forgotten how to prevent and fight fires.
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Yep, privatizing the basic necessities of life is always a bad idea.
 
MadAsAHatter said:
You can keep saying climate change as much as you want. That still doesn't change the fact that water and forestry were completely mismanaged by those in charge. Let's say climate change is as bad as you are trying to portray it to be. You'd think that since leaders knew about climate change and it's large influence on wildfires they would have taken extra measures to prevent them and mitigate any that broke out. You know, things like building extra reservoirs, making sure they were filled, underbrush was cleared, numerous fire breaks put in place, etc. California's leaders are incompetent and completely failed you. Stop trying to pass the buck and make excuses for them.
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Are all leaders everywhere incompetent then? Because massive wildfires are taking place in dozens of countries around the world in the last few years. The consistent through line isn't incompetence.
 
PhoneyIommi said:
Are all leaders everywhere incompetent then? Because massive wildfires are taking place in dozens of countries around the world in the last few years. The consistent through line isn't incompetence.
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The ones who are more worried about pushing woke leftist insanity than keeping their country and people safe are. But you go ahead and keep trusting these leaders who know nothing about environmental management. It's pretty obvious you don't know much about it either.
 
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"Don't you just hate it when climate change causes decisions like hiring a fire chief based on pronouns, giving away fire equipment to Ukraine, mis-managing forests, tearing down dams, refusing to fill existing water reservoirs, cancelling fire insurance, and laying off fire fighters for refusing an experimental vaccination? "
 
MadAsAHatter said:
You can keep saying climate change as much as you want. That still doesn't change the fact that water and forestry were completely mismanaged by those in charge. Let's say climate change is as bad as you are trying to portray it to be. You'd think that since leaders knew about climate change and it's large influence on wildfires they would have taken extra measures to prevent them and mitigate any that broke out. You know, things like building extra reservoirs, making sure they were filled, underbrush was cleared, numerous fire breaks put in place, etc. California's leaders are incompetent and completely failed you. Stop trying to pass the buck and make excuses for them.
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I can tell you that in real time on the ground in Pacific Palisades (I've been at all of the task force meetings) literally nobody that has actual experience with what happened disagrees with this. I have been speaking with state and local police, County Sheriff's Department LA Fire and CalFire. They all acknowledge what happened here.

 
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angelspade said:
I can tell you that in real time on the ground in Pacific Palisades (I've been at all of the task force meetings) literally nobody that has actual experience with what happened disagrees with this. I have been speaking with state and local police, County Sheriff's Department LA Fire and CalFire. They all acknowledge what happened here.

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But for some reason there's still people like @PhoneyIommi who live in a delusion, want to make excuses and give incompetence a pass.
 
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