Duncan Distortion for VH1 tone ?

PLX said:
Yes.

I have all my asymmetric wind PU's wound that way, because the vibrating string energy is at it's lowest point at the bridge (and nut).

Makes sense to place the hotter coil at the bridge.

When I spoke to Jim Gaustad, he gave me these specs, and using Google search with these specs, I stumbled upon the Darth Phineas site and learned the source was (purportedly) an example of a proto-JB from circa 1974. (I know you and I have discussed this before) (y)
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I still haven't wound to this spec, but I do prefer the hotter coils p. Mm n nnn closer the the bridge when I do asymmetric coils
 
There's also a possibility that the coils use 2 different gauge wires to accomplish those specs. You could similar specs with 7000 winds on 43awg on 1 coil and 7000 winds of 44awg on the other. The inductance is making me suspect the different wire guages. For the slug to be that low of dcr it would be around 6200 winds which would result in a lower inductance than what DP measured.
 
scottosan said:
There's also a possibility that the coils use 2 different gauge wires to accomplish those specs. You could similar specs with 7000 winds on 43awg on 1 coil and 7000 winds of 44awg on the other. The inductance is making me suspect the different wire guages. For the slug to be that low of dcr it would be around 6200 winds which would result in a lower inductance than what DP measured.
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I've wondered about that, as well.

I'll ask Greg @ Jalen and see what he says.

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paulyc said:
sharp spike at 1K is vital for VH1, so the GEQ has to be there and so is the reverb, which seems to have been proven to be a bright reflective room at Sunset Sound, not an EMT plate.
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I don't think there is as sharp of a spike in the 1K range as you think at least live anyway, that's why Ed's tone doesn't sound nasally as say Michael Schenker's tone by comparison. I think it was 1200K or 1600 hz spike on the VH1 album that was prominent(when people did a frequency analysis of VH1) if I remember that discussion from Metro amps EVH forums in the studio album probably due to the Pultec EQ's used but I judge all of my research into Ed tone on the live shows especially the 1977 Album release party for VH1 as it is most probable that ED was using what he used in the studio to record VH1 and his live tone is 100% achievable with no studio tricks that only enhanced his live tone IMHO.

I really don't boost the mids in the 800-1000K range much at all actually it's almost a flat mids boost, of 5/6DB and a slight frown... I'm just cutting the tubby low end and extreme highs mostly. I showed my EQ curves in the video but the addition of that slight 5-6DB boost in the 400/800/1.6K range along with cutting the flubby lows takes the tone from Zeppelin to EVH with the SD 78 model pickup. He may have boosted more when his cable lengths got longer on the 78 tour which is why he added the Boss GE10 mostly, he was still using the MXR 6band on that looper pedal through out the entire 78 tour. The MXR EQ sound better to my ears but I am able to get the Boss to sound pretty close when I ran them A/B together to figure out why my Boss didn't sound like my MXR, I had to EQ the boss levels different to match the output and frequencies of the MXR, once I did that the Boss does just fine.

The blue MXR 6 band was still on his board in the VHII studio recording pics so I surmise it was still being used but I think Ed started using the Schaffer Vega wireless late in the 78 tour into the 79 tour as it was all the rage among bands including AC/DC. I've though about testing the Schaffer Vega out but my focus was on the VH1 78 tour tone and he didn't use it early on so I never haveexplored it since I don't see it as necessary. VHII tone can be easily gotten by a good Marshall plexi Superlead and just about any good PAF type pickup in the 8-9K range IMHO, but the EQ and EP3 echoplexes are a key part of the overall tone.
 
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ccn said:
I want the sound of when they played the Hammersmith Odeon in 1978 , that was KILLER .
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By the time they played the Hammersmith Odeum it's possible Ed was already changing pickups to PAF's to replace the Mighty Mite. You could compare the Selland Area show tone to the 1977 album release party tone. At least in Franky I still think the Selland Arena show may have still been a mighty mite from what I hear but I am open to possiblity he may have changed the pickup as they had just gotten back from the summer Japan leg of the tour in the fall of 1978. I just relistend to the Selland Arena tone and I think this pickup in the Selland Arena show sounds slightly less abrasive/crunchy/fuzz and slighty warmer as in the 1977 album release party where the pickup is so raw and abrasive. Do you guys hear the Selland Arena tone as warmer? That's how I hear it anyway. Post what you guys think... Does the Selland Arena show sound warmer and more PAF like?



Also interesting to note that the Selland Arena show was without Ed's 12301 plexi since his amps were lost by the airlines coming back from Japan. It was other Superleads and plexi's reamped by Musicman HD130's and 65's and possibly a couple of Fender bandmasters.
 
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Is it just me or is this Selland Arena show probably one of the best ED live tones? I like the Album release party tone for being more album correct but the tone in the Selland arena show is just spectacular!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Crazy how PRONOUNCED Ed’s phaser and flanger sound when he punched those FX in and out on these early live recordings. NOBODY was doing anything like that in the late 70s. Crazy.
 
The Selland show is the best live tone ever.

The 1K spike does more than just EQ the tone, it boosts gain only in the mid frequencies as it‘s pre distortion, so it eliminates fizz in the high end and woolly low end. Try the MXR 10 band too. The six band sounds great but it’s noisy as hell. The Pultec or Lang EQs used in the studio aren’t really the same thing.
 
Here’s all the stuff he took over to Japan in ‘78 . That’s a lot of gear that got temporarily lost if in fact it all got lost

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Curious to know which of those EQ settings work well for VH on the BOSS? The top photo or the bottom pic that is more up in the mids?
 
sideburns said:
Curious to know which of those EQ settings work well for VH on the BOSS? The top photo or the bottom pic that is more up in the mids?
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You only need the GE-10 in front of the amp if you're using a PAF style pickup (8~9K, A2 magnet).

You'll never get there without the GE-10 boosting mids, 1 or 2 EchoPlex pre-amps, and perhaps the SVDS preamp..

Your mileage may vary.
 
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