I like Tom Morello more than Eddie Van Halen...

[j666]

communism and capitalism = good ideas fukt up by the nature of man.

it's just the way it goes. it's life. nothing wrong with either and in theory, both work. there's just too many people on the planet. then you throw in the powermongers, tweekers, assholes, douchebags, bitches and all these other elements and shit gets fukt up even more. it's bound to happen. why worry about who's wrong and who's right. it really doesn't matter.
is this a thread about guitarists or political beliefs?...or assholes?

 

[j666]

I find it funny that everyone confuses Communism with an oligarchy. True Communism according to the manifesto written by Karl Marx is a society where there is no centralized government, where everyone is able to rule themselves, no laws are present and it is a utopia. The true form of communism turns into an oligarchy that leaves the vast amount of the country poor even though communism is supposed to make everyone equal, instead of no laws they have so many stupid laws they have to enforce them by sheer terror. Communism is such a flawed system it makes me laugh just thinking about it. Especially by older people that have no clue. I'm 17 and I get this a lot better than you do apparently.

i'm old and i understand...for some reason, they thought us idaho boys might give a rat's fuk about communism, socialism, capitalism and the ways of the world...you know, just in case we leave the farm...or the church.

 

[White_Van]

nothing against old people of course, I will be there too someday. I just hate it when people romanticize something that really has no redeeming qualities. Yes, I will agree the idea of communism in theory is pretty cool, but in practice it is skewed.

 

[Telephant]

Tom Morello is a commie pinko fag with nothing special to offer the world of guitar.

EVH is an asshole who revolutionized the world of guitar.

I'll take EVH any day.

Shouldnt you be swallowing cock over at Mike's forum?

 

[grooveHT]

Sorry man that riff from know your enemy is greater than anything Huey Lewis did. Morello doesn't need tons of effects to sound great, why he uses them is anyones guess but its not my palce to say he shouldn't.

where the fuck did this come from? was there a compare and contrast huey lewis to tom morello that I missed?

and for that matter I know lots of great players who have used lots of effects at one time, for example Steve Lukather. However, effects or no, I still think Morello is a hack compared to other big-name guitar players. And I'm stickin' to it!

 

[Odin]

Tom Morello is a commie pinko fag with nothing special to offer the world of guitar.

EVH is an asshole who revolutionized the world of guitar.

I'll take EVH any day.

Shouldnt you be swallowing cock over at Mike's forum?

I'm straight, I'll leave that up to you San FranAustin boys.

 

[Telephant]

Tom Morello is a commie pinko fag with nothing special to offer the world of guitar.

EVH is an asshole who revolutionized the world of guitar.

I'll take EVH any day.

Shouldnt you be swallowing cock over at Mike's forum?

I'm straight, I'll leave that up to you San FranAustin boys.

Thats suprising considering all the dick sucking you've been doing. But its cool, live in your fantasy world of lies. Carl and Mike seem to enjoy it, no reason you cant either.

 

[degenaro]

Check your history...I'm not buying into the commie propaganda, you tell me which communist society has been greater than America's capitalist society.

I think you're missing his point. The way I understand them is that communism as a concept was sound, unfortunately the execution is where you had a few that decided to take capitalistic approach to it. And then had a big fuckin mess.

That said as far as I can tell, Morello is pro socialism, which IMO works just fine if I look at countries like Sweden, or Germany.

 

[Odin]

Check your history...I'm not buying into the commie propaganda, you tell me which communist society has been greater than America's capitalist society.

I think you're missing his point. The way I understand them is that communism as a concept was sound, unfortunately the execution is where you had a few that decided to take capitalistic approach to it. And then had a big fuckin mess.

That said as far as I can tell, Morello is pro socialism, which IMO works just fine if I look at countries like Sweden, or Germany.

So he's arguing for a concept that has never been actually realized? OK, if "if's and but's" were candy and nuts every day would be Christmas, too, but I don't see that happening. If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he jumped. Back in the real world, communism has never succeeded or been seen as superior to democracy, and it never will be. History has proven this time and again.

Socialism only "works fine" if you are Ok with keeping the masses suppressed and oppressed, eliminating the entrepreneurial drive of mankind, accepting mediocrity, etc... which is precisely what the far left in America wants - socialism (for everyone except the elite limousine liberals). Unfortunately, that's what we're slowing becoming, a socialist state.

 

[dicky sofa]

Damn, you got to it before I did...

Nice to know that Odin is still Odin...

Tom Morello is a commie pinko fag with nothing special to offer the world of guitar.
EVH is an asshole who revolutionized the world of guitar.
I'll take EVH any day.

Shouldnt you be swallowing cock over at Mike's forum?

 

[degenaro]

Check your history...I'm not buying into the commie propaganda, you tell me which communist society has been greater than America's capitalist society.

I think you're missing his point. The way I understand them is that communism as a concept was sound, unfortunately the execution is where you had a few that decided to take capitalistic approach to it. And then had a big fuckin mess.

That said as far as I can tell, Morello is pro socialism, which IMO works just fine if I look at countries like Sweden, or Germany.

So he's arguing for a concept that has never been actually realized? OK, if "if's and but's" were candy and nuts every day would be Christmas, too, but I don't see that happening. If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he jumped. Back in the real world, communism has never succeeded or been seen as superior to democracy, and it never will be. History has proven this time and again.

Socialism only "works fine" if you are Ok with keeping the masses suppressed and oppressed, eliminating the entrepreneurial drive of mankind, accepting mediocrity, etc... which is precisely what the far left in America wants - socialism (for everyone except the elite limousine liberals). Unfortunately, that's what we're slowing becoming, a socialist state.

Lets just skip the communism argument since I have no dog in that proverbial fight.

As for socialism, what exactly is your resource for that? Last I checked Germany was mosdef not about keeping the masses suppressed and oppressed, eliminating the entrepreneurial drive of mankind, accepting mediocrity, etc...
This is a fun party line to spout, but it comes off as you not having a clue what constitutes socialism.

 

[degenaro]

In addition to that, it makes very little difference to me whether I have to pay more in taxes and other wage deductions to have a safety net, like in Germany, or am responsible for any curve balls life throws me like here.
But, here's a prime example, because my wife's family made too much money she didn't get financial aid for college. Never mind that the family decided more cars were more important than education. She needed braces as a kid, but no since it cost money the dad's hunting trips took precedence. So, I'm putting her through college and paid for braces.
Growing up in Germany, there was a time when I had to be hospitalized, I didn't have to worry about about being turned away at the emergency room because I didn't have sufficient insurance. And yes, I paid for it one way or another. But to dismiss socialism without any first hand knowledge of how it actually works in reality is very foolish.

 

[Odin]

Damn, you got to it before I did...

Nice to know that Odin is still Odin...

Tom Morello is a commie pinko fag with nothing special to offer the world of guitar.
EVH is an asshole who revolutionized the world of guitar.
I'll take EVH any day.

Shouldnt you be swallowing cock over at Mike's forum?

I've got the San FranAustin, Tx and Marin County, Ca (home of the American Taliban) guys after me. I must be doing something right.

 

[Odin]

Lets just skip the communism argument since I have no dog in that proverbial fight.

As for socialism, what exactly is your resource for that? Last I checked Germany was mosdef not about keeping the masses suppressed and oppressed, eliminating the entrepreneurial drive of mankind, accepting mediocrity, etc...
This is a fun party line to spout, but it comes off as you not having a clue what constitutes socialism.

I'm a proud capitalist and will not buy that socialist propaganda you're selling. Socialism is contrary to everything I believe in, first and foremost personal responsibility.

 

[Odin]

In addition to that, it makes very little difference to me whether I have to pay more in taxes and other wage deductions to have a safety net, like in Germany, or am responsible for any curve balls life throws me like here.
But, here's a prime example, because my wife's family made too much money she didn't get financial aid for college. Never mind that the family decided more cars were more important than education. She needed braces as a kid, but no since it cost money the dad's hunting trips took precedence. So, I'm putting her through college and paid for braces.
Growing up in Germany, there was a time when I had to be hospitalized, I didn't have to worry about about being turned away at the emergency room because I didn't have sufficient insurance. And yes, I paid for it one way or another. But to dismiss socialism without any first hand knowledge of how it actually works in reality is very foolish.

Your wife's parents made poor choices with their money but that is no excuse for government forcing them to spend their money the way the government sees fit. There should be no such thing as government financed assistance for college, that's a private matter. Life is not fair, there are no guarantees, not everyone will have an optimal life. I don't need the government assisting me with social issues, I need to government to defend the nation and protect our infrastructure.

 

[degenaro]

In addition to that, it makes very little difference to me whether I have to pay more in taxes and other wage deductions to have a safety net, like in Germany, or am responsible for any curve balls life throws me like here.
But, here's a prime example, because my wife's family made too much money she didn't get financial aid for college. Never mind that the family decided more cars were more important than education. She needed braces as a kid, but no since it cost money the dad's hunting trips took precedence. So, I'm putting her through college and paid for braces.
Growing up in Germany, there was a time when I had to be hospitalized, I didn't have to worry about about being turned away at the emergency room because I didn't have sufficient insurance. And yes, I paid for it one way or another. But to dismiss socialism without any first hand knowledge of how it actually works in reality is very foolish.

I'm not following you... How does bad parenting play into this? Are you saying that if your wife grew up in Germany, the government would've paid for her college and braces regardless of the amount of money her family makes?

There's a big difference between you being hospitalized and your wife needing braces as a kid.

I'm not arguing, I'm seriously just asking.

Yes, I'm saying that my wife would have been able to go to college, and she would've paid for it by ways of taxation.
Same with braces, as i health insurance.
What I'm saying is that in the US, you can be kept behind because of other's bad choices until you're in a place where you can afford it yourself.
As I said it's all the same to me whether I spent the money on taxation or out right. My point is merely that it appears that Americans have a very skewed view of what constitutes a socialist society.

I'll give you another example...the German version of retirement/social security...they take a whole hell of a lot more out of your check each month. But there's a big difference between paying into a system for about 45-50 years than here.
How many folks are in the US that have to work until they keel over since nobody bothered to tell them that tarting to save for retirement at age 40 is too late? When everything is build around spent, spent, spent and lets give you more credit so you can spent?

 

[degenaro]

Lets just skip the communism argument since I have no dog in that proverbial fight.

As for socialism, what exactly is your resource for that? Last I checked Germany was mosdef not about keeping the masses suppressed and oppressed, eliminating the entrepreneurial drive of mankind, accepting mediocrity, etc...
This is a fun party line to spout, but it comes off as you not having a clue what constitutes socialism.

I'm a proud capitalist and will not buy that socialist propaganda you're selling. Socialism is contrary to everything I believe in, first and foremost personal responsibility.

I'm selling propaganda? Where?

 

[degenaro]

In addition to that, it makes very little difference to me whether I have to pay more in taxes and other wage deductions to have a safety net, like in Germany, or am responsible for any curve balls life throws me like here.
But, here's a prime example, because my wife's family made too much money she didn't get financial aid for college. Never mind that the family decided more cars were more important than education. She needed braces as a kid, but no since it cost money the dad's hunting trips took precedence. So, I'm putting her through college and paid for braces.
Growing up in Germany, there was a time when I had to be hospitalized, I didn't have to worry about about being turned away at the emergency room because I didn't have sufficient insurance. And yes, I paid for it one way or another. But to dismiss socialism without any first hand knowledge of how it actually works in reality is very foolish.

Your wife's parents made poor choices with their money but that is no excuse for government forcing them to spend their money the way the government sees fit. There should be no such thing as government financed assistance for college, that's a private matter. Life is not fair, there are no guarantees, not everyone will have an optimal life. I don't need the government assisting me with social issues, I need to government to defend the nation and protect our infrastructure.

Maybe you don't, but there are folks who do. And last I checked governmant did spent pretty much as they saw fit, especially when it comes to things I don't agree with.

 

[Odin]

In addition to that, it makes very little difference to me whether I have to pay more in taxes and other wage deductions to have a safety net, like in Germany, or am responsible for any curve balls life throws me like here.
But, here's a prime example, because my wife's family made too much money she didn't get financial aid for college. Never mind that the family decided more cars were more important than education. She needed braces as a kid, but no since it cost money the dad's hunting trips took precedence. So, I'm putting her through college and paid for braces.
Growing up in Germany, there was a time when I had to be hospitalized, I didn't have to worry about about being turned away at the emergency room because I didn't have sufficient insurance. And yes, I paid for it one way or another. But to dismiss socialism without any first hand knowledge of how it actually works in reality is very foolish.

I'm not following you... How does bad parenting play into this? Are you saying that if your wife grew up in Germany, the government would've paid for her college and braces regardless of the amount of money her family makes?

There's a big difference between you being hospitalized and your wife needing braces as a kid.

I'm not arguing, I'm seriously just asking.

You brought up the fact that your wife's parents made poor financial choices regarding her upbringing in the context of a conversation about the benefits of socialism. The way I read your story about your wife's upbringing it appeared as if you were suggesting that in a socialist upbringing your wife would have been better provided for in terms of healthcare and education. If that wasn't your point I'm not sure why you brought up your wife's background at all.

If you are hospitalized you are responsible for paying the bill or having sufficient insurance to pay the bill. Our nation's health care system is a wreck that favors big business and is biased against the consumer. I'd like to see that changed. But socialism is not the answer to that for me.

I do not believe that the government is here to take care of people's needs, the government should exist solely to manage the nation's business and protect the nation from attack. Protecting people is the government's job, but the line between protection and taking care of is crossed when you suggest government subsidized or financed services.

Obviously, I would like to see America move much farther away from the current state of quasi-socialism that we have now and the far left would like to see America move into total socialism (initially, followed by eliminating America and becoming a global citizenry). I suspect that the left will get their wishes in my lifetime.

 

[Odin]

In addition to that, it makes very little difference to me whether I have to pay more in taxes and other wage deductions to have a safety net, like in Germany, or am responsible for any curve balls life throws me like here.
But, here's a prime example, because my wife's family made too much money she didn't get financial aid for college. Never mind that the family decided more cars were more important than education. She needed braces as a kid, but no since it cost money the dad's hunting trips took precedence. So, I'm putting her through college and paid for braces.
Growing up in Germany, there was a time when I had to be hospitalized, I didn't have to worry about about being turned away at the emergency room because I didn't have sufficient insurance. And yes, I paid for it one way or another. But to dismiss socialism without any first hand knowledge of how it actually works in reality is very foolish.

I'm not following you... How does bad parenting play into this? Are you saying that if your wife grew up in Germany, the government would've paid for her college and braces regardless of the amount of money her family makes?

There's a big difference between you being hospitalized and your wife needing braces as a kid.

I'm not arguing, I'm seriously just asking.

Yes, I'm saying that my wife would have been able to go to college, and she would've paid for it by ways of taxation.
Same with braces, as i health insurance.
What I'm saying is that in the US, you can be kept behind because of other's bad choices until you're in a place where you can afford it yourself.
As I said it's all the same to me whether I spent the money on taxation or out right. My point is merely that it appears that Americans have a very skewed view of what constitutes a socialist society.

I'll give you another example...the German version of retirement/social security...they take a whole hell of a lot more out of your check each month. But there's a big difference between paying into a system for about 45-50 years than here.
How many folks are in the US that have to work until they keel over since nobody bothered to tell them that tarting to save for retirement at age 40 is too late? When everything is build around spent, spent, spent and lets give you more credit so you can spent?

You pretty much summed up your philosophy - you want the big government to save us all from ourselves. I'd prefer that we save ourselves from the big government and make our own destiny. Your way is socialism, my way is capitalism. Both have serious drawbacks for a percentage of the population.