I like Tom Morello more than Eddie Van Halen...

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degenaro":3237c said:
Maybe you don't, but there are folks who do. And last I checked governmant did spent pretty much as they saw fit, especially when it comes to things I don't agree with.

On this we agree. Our government has been out of control for decades and it's not getting any better. There is little difference between Clinton and Bush at the end of the day. America is on a path to self destruction that will end badly for all of us.
 
Odin":b5e8a said:
You pretty much summed up your philosophy - you want the big government to save us all from ourselves. I'd prefer that we save ourselves from the big government and make our own destiny. Your way is socialism, my way is capitalism. Both have serious drawbacks for a percentage of the population.
Close, but no cigar. I believe that big government should be there for folks. Me I'm perfectly happy to take care of myself.
 
dicky sofa":5ec02 said:
The sky is falling...
The sky is falling...

Yes, but luckily we all have Government issued umbrella's so we be fine and shit. ;)
 
Do like I do. Buy lots of guns and ammo and get ready for the revolution when Hitlery gets in.
 
Copperhead":ac0bf said:
Do like I do. Buy lots of guns and ammo and get ready for the revolution when Hitlery gets in.


I may just be splitting hairs here...but wouldn't the "Hitler" reference be more in line with the current administration than with a potentially far more "leftist" one? :confused:
 
Odin":7b236 said:
degenaro":7b236 said:
Maybe you don't, but there are folks who do. And last I checked governmant did spent pretty much as they saw fit, especially when it comes to things I don't agree with.

On this we agree. Our government has been out of control for decades and it's not getting any better. There is little difference between Clinton and Bush at the end of the day. America is on a path to self destruction that will end badly for all of us.
FWIW, I do believe the only way to rebuild this, and remember I lived here since Reagan is to bring it all down and start over, none of this band aid stuff. Back in the day I was all for Buchanan being president, since he'd have achieved precisly that.
 
degenaro":e3030 said:
Odin":e3030 said:
You pretty much summed up your philosophy - you want the big government to save us all from ourselves. I'd prefer that we save ourselves from the big government and make our own destiny. Your way is socialism, my way is capitalism. Both have serious drawbacks for a percentage of the population.
Close, but no cigar. I believe that big government should be there for folks. Me I'm perfectly happy to take care of myself.

That sounds nice, but the last time I checked the government didn't make anything and didn't sell anything and had no source of income other than the working people in America. The only way the government can "be there for folks" is through taxation. And if I take care of myself but the government takes care of someone else I call that taxation without representation. Tax dollars should go to the basics of national defense and infrastructure, private funds only should be used for social programs.
 
Craggin":2cc4d said:
I may just be splitting hairs here...but wouldn't the "Hitler" reference be more in line with the current administration than with a potentially far more "leftist" one? :confused:


Lessee...............

In the 30's, Hitler and the Nazi party systematically and incrementally took away the individuals rights, specifically property and private firearms ownership. When they had the country disarmed, the Holocaust began, and the 6 million Jews and the 15 million OTHER non-Jewish people who were slaughterd had no way to defend themselves from their Government, and the State seized their property.

The Bush administration appointed a Attorney General who just resigned, who has been a target for the Leftisits since he made the statement "I view the Second Amendment right to bare arms as an Individual right........"
Also, it is no secret the current administration has made a push for easing inheritence taxes, has appointed judges who don't "legislate from the bench" and support a traditional, literal interpretation of the Constitution, and generally supports individual property rights.

The prior Clinton administration passed the "assault weapons ban", was actively anti-individual property rights and anti-gun ownership rights. They also oversaw the Waco Massacre, where RICO laws were manipulated to authorize use of military weapons against private citizens, to enforce a warrant on a weapons charge......

You tell me
 
degenaro":891f5 said:
Odin":891f5 said:
degenaro":891f5 said:
Maybe you don't, but there are folks who do. And last I checked governmant did spent pretty much as they saw fit, especially when it comes to things I don't agree with.

On this we agree. Our government has been out of control for decades and it's not getting any better. There is little difference between Clinton and Bush at the end of the day. America is on a path to self destruction that will end badly for all of us.
FWIW, I do believe the only way to rebuild this, and remember I lived here since Reagan is to bring it all down and start over, none of this band aid stuff. Back in the day I was all for Buchanan being president, since he'd have achieved precisly that.

I agree with your assessment (and Buchanan would have made a good prez if he did what he said he was going to do). I don't see it haoppening though, because the plan of the left is to slowly get Americans acclimated to socialism one step at a time until we're too apathetic to resist what will be sold to us as the inevitable.

For a good example of this look at our immigration problem and our so-called leaders' "solutions".
 
Odin":4efa2 said:
degenaro":4efa2 said:
Odin":4efa2 said:
You pretty much summed up your philosophy - you want the big government to save us all from ourselves. I'd prefer that we save ourselves from the big government and make our own destiny. Your way is socialism, my way is capitalism. Both have serious drawbacks for a percentage of the population.
Close, but no cigar. I believe that big government should be there for folks. Me I'm perfectly happy to take care of myself.

That sounds nice, but the last time I checked the government didn't make anything and didn't sell anything and had no source of income other than the working people in America. The only way the government can "be there for folks" is through taxation. And if I take care of myself but the government takes care of someone else I call that taxation without representation. Tax dollars should go to the basics of national defense and infrastructure, private funds only should be used for social programs.
Again...I can go either way on that.
 
While playing Axis and Allies I was always Germany and would cruise up to Russia to get them out of the game quick.

If I was successful I had a damn good chance of winning. That and just load japan up with a ton of troops, numbers had a big advantage ya know.
 
Copperhead":36358 said:
Lessee...............

In the 30's, Hitler and the Nazi party systematically and incrementally took away the individuals rights, specifically property and private firearms ownership. When they had the country disarmed, the Holocaust began, and the 6 million Jews and the 15 million OTHER non-Jewish people who were slaughterd had no way to defend themselves from their Government, and the State seized their property.

The Bush administration appointed a Attorney General who just resigned, who has been a target for the Leftisits since he made the statement "I view the Second Amendment right to bare arms as an Individual right........"
Also, it is no secret the current administration has made a push for easing inheritence taxes, has appointed judges who don't "legislate from the bench" and support a traditional, literal interpretation of the Constitution, and generally supports individual property rights.

The prior Clinton administration passed the "assault weapons ban", was actively anti-individual property rights and anti-gun ownership rights. They also oversaw the Waco Massacre, where RICO laws were manipulated to authorize use of military weapons against private citizens, to enforce a warrant on a weapons charge......

You tell me
Do some fact checking on German history...not quite how it worked out.
6 million Jewish people were not unable to defend them self because they didn't have the right to bare arms, but rather because they fell victim to the mass hysteria Hitler created. This was the forerunner to any leader riling up the people with lies, deceit and what not in order to reach their ulterior motive. Sounds familiar?
Yes there are plenty of governments that have followed that sad example. And the results of 9/11 warranted or not, are not that far off.
 
Odin":5f076 said:
I agree with your assessment (and Buchanan would have made a good prez if he did what he said he was going to do). I don't see it haoppening though, because the plan of the left is to slowly get Americans acclimated to socialism one step at a time until we're too apathetic to resist what will be sold to us as the inevitable.

For a good example of this look at our immigration problem and our so-called leaders' "solutions".
You know, you keep bringing up socialism, and then use exmples that make no sense. Take a look at germany when it come to immigration. Quite a bit harsher than here.
 
In response to DLR being a jerk.....

I have a friend who's sister was on the VHII album cover. Because of this she's met a lot of "rock stars" and my buddy got back stage passes to all the pre Sammy concerts in Oregon. He's actually hung out with the guys in the band and he said DLR was cool as heck. He didn't have as many good things to say about the VH bros however. He said DLR was loud and stuff like you'd think he would be at times, but that he was a genuinely nice guy. His sis actually went out on a date with DLR and she said he was a perfect gentleman.

Now back to our Socialism debate. ;)
 
degenaro":77a24 said:
Do some fact checking on German history...not quite how it worked out.
6 million Jewish people were not unable to defend them self because they didn't have the right to bare arms, but rather because they fell victim to the mass hysteria Hitler created. This was the forerunner to any leader riling up the people with lies, deceit and what not in order to reach their ulterior motive. Sounds familiar?
Yes there are plenty of governments that have followed that sad example. And the results of 9/11 warranted or not, are not that far off.

No doubt that propoganda had a lot to do with shaping the nations' beliefs and attitude! I read a book describing the entertainment industry in Nazi Germany, the movies the people were watching were very Nationalistic, containing themes about Germany's historic struggles against Russia, etc. The same can be seen in the entertainment industry today, from movies to TV shows where consevative people are portrayed as buffooons and villains, barnyard sexual ethics are praised and homosexuality is portrayed as the norm...
What I'm referring to is the mechanics of how it was pulled off, the incremental stripping of the individuals rights. What I referred to regarding weapons seizure is absolute fact, first they were "registered" then they were collected "for the war effort", and banned for individual ownership. My history is correct.
 
degenaro":1a619 said:
Odin":1a619 said:
I agree with your assessment (and Buchanan would have made a good prez if he did what he said he was going to do). I don't see it haoppening though, because the plan of the left is to slowly get Americans acclimated to socialism one step at a time until we're too apathetic to resist what will be sold to us as the inevitable.

For a good example of this look at our immigration problem and our so-called leaders' "solutions".
You know, you keep bringing up socialism, and then use exmples that make no sense. Take a look at germany when it come to immigration. Quite a bit harsher than here.

Odin is obviously talking out of his ass on all of this, Ed. I wouldn't waste your time :thumbsup:
 
SgtThump":33623 said:
STEEL KAGE":33623 said:
Whats the topic? :confused:

Morello - Idiot wanker that doesn't have enough talent to play a lead that sounds halfassed seasoned.
EVH - Once a great player (not sure about now) with killer tone, but he's a super prick.

Chris

Yeah, I thought that was the topic too... :confused:
 
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