I like Tom Morello more than Eddie Van Halen...

[Odin]

I agree with your assessment (and Buchanan would have made a good prez if he did what he said he was going to do). I don't see it haoppening though, because the plan of the left is to slowly get Americans acclimated to socialism one step at a time until we're too apathetic to resist what will be sold to us as the inevitable.

For a good example of this look at our immigration problem and our so-called leaders' "solutions".

You know, you keep bringing up socialism, and then use exmples that make no sense. Take a look at germany when it come to immigration. Quite a bit harsher than here.

That has nothing to do with socialism, that is just Germany still being very nationalistic. America is losing our identity to globalization whil eother countries tout globalization yet retain their identities. Try to immigrate into Mexico and see how easy it is to be accepted by the Mexican gov't. The rest of the world wants to take from the US and then criticize us when we attempt to maintain any sort of national identity.

 

[Odin]

Do some fact checking on German history...not quite how it worked out.
6 million Jewish people were not unable to defend them self because they didn't have the right to bare arms, but rather because they fell victim to the mass hysteria Hitler created. This was the forerunner to any leader riling up the people with lies, deceit and what not in order to reach their ulterior motive. Sounds familiar?
Yes there are plenty of governments that have followed that sad example. And the results of 9/11 warranted or not, are not that far off.

No doubt that propoganda had a lot to do with shaping the nations' beliefs and attitude! I read a book describing the entertainment industry in Nazi Germany, the movies the people were watching were very Nationalistic, containing themes about Germany's historic struggles against Russia, etc. The same can be seen in the entertainment industry today, from movies to TV shows where consevative people are portrayed as buffooons and villains, barnyard sexual ethics are praised and homosexuality is portrayed as the norm...
What I'm referring to is the mechanics of how it was pulled off, the incremental stripping of the individuals rights. What I referred to regarding weapons seizure is absolute fact, first they were "registered" then they were collected "for the war effort", and banned for individual ownership. My history is correct.

Your history is not only correct, it's being carried out in the US as we have this discussion.

 

[Odin]

I agree with your assessment (and Buchanan would have made a good prez if he did what he said he was going to do). I don't see it haoppening though, because the plan of the left is to slowly get Americans acclimated to socialism one step at a time until we're too apathetic to resist what will be sold to us as the inevitable.

For a good example of this look at our immigration problem and our so-called leaders' "solutions".

You know, you keep bringing up socialism, and then use exmples that make no sense. Take a look at germany when it come to immigration. Quite a bit harsher than here.

Odin is obviously talking out of his ass on all of this, Ed. I wouldn't waste your time

Advice from a Canadian subject, not a free citizen.

 

[degenaro]

No doubt that propoganda had a lot to do with shaping the nations' beliefs and attitude! I read a book describing the entertainment industry in Nazi Germany, the movies the people were watching were very Nationalistic, containing themes about Germany's historic struggles against Russia, etc. The same can be seen in the entertainment industry today, from movies to TV shows where consevative people are portrayed as buffooons and villains, barnyard sexual ethics are praised and homosexuality is portrayed as the norm...
What I'm referring to is the mechanics of how it was pulled off, the incremental stripping of the individuals rights. What I referred to regarding weapons seizure is absolute fact, first they were "registered" then they were collected "for the war effort", and banned for individual ownership. My history is correct.

I'm not disputing the fact that individual rights were stripped. However, that was not the reason it was pulled off. But rather because the the leaders found an easy scape goat. "you're unhappy because you don't have enough money? Take it from the Jews!" Was how it was pulled off, by mobilizing the majority and turning them into a willing, ignorant tool for genocide. How does it matter whether Hollywood depicts homosexuality as the norm? As long as the majority can be riled up against anything that night be difference you can get the same results as Germany.
And please don't give me history lessons on Germany, my Great grandfather lost everything-and he rich-because he didn't join the Nazi party, and the only reason he didn't end up in a camp was because my Grand mother married one of Himmler's henchmen. I'm very, very aware of Germany's past.

 

[Ultron]

I don't have a problem with Morello, I find his playing unique, and somewhat refreshing. I have a bigger problem with someone like Hammett, who's Kung Fu is weak.

 

[degenaro]

Do some fact checking on German history...not quite how it worked out.
6 million Jewish people were not unable to defend them self because they didn't have the right to bare arms, but rather because they fell victim to the mass hysteria Hitler created. This was the forerunner to any leader riling up the people with lies, deceit and what not in order to reach their ulterior motive. Sounds familiar?
Yes there are plenty of governments that have followed that sad example. And the results of 9/11 warranted or not, are not that far off.

Is it true that it's unacceptable (maybe even illegal?) to discuss that part of history in Germany or is that just crap?

Chris

Huh? I don't understand your question?
It is illegal to own 3rd Reich memorabilia, etc... As a rule you find German's not too keen on discussing this. I mean who likes to talk about such atrocities?

 

[moronmountain]

Do some fact checking on German history...not quite how it worked out.
6 million Jewish people were not unable to defend them self because they didn't have the right to bare arms, but rather because they fell victim to the mass hysteria Hitler created. This was the forerunner to any leader riling up the people with lies, deceit and what not in order to reach their ulterior motive. Sounds familiar?
Yes there are plenty of governments that have followed that sad example. And the results of 9/11 warranted or not, are not that far off.

Is it true that it's unacceptable (maybe even illegal?) to discuss that part of history in Germany or is that just crap?

Chris

Huh? I don't understand your question?
It is illegal to own 3rd Reich memorabilia, etc... As a rule you find German's not too keen on discussing this. I mean who likes to talk about such atrocities?

I think other than not being "keen" on discussing it, is it illegal to discuss it other than the fact that people will look down on you?

 

[degenaro]

That has nothing to do with socialism, that is just Germany still being very nationalistic. America is losing our identity to globalization whil eother countries tout globalization yet retain their identities. Try to immigrate into Mexico and see how easy it is to be accepted by the Mexican gov't. The rest of the world wants to take from the US and then criticize us when we attempt to maintain any sort of national identity.

Dude, those are fighting words. Germany is a pretty good example of socialism, you can't have it both ways. It has nothing to do with being Xenophobic, but rather it has to do with leave no one behind, but make sure that the folks you take care of are folks that belong to the system.
If it were nationalistic there'd be no room for any asylum seekers either, would there.

 

[degenaro]

Huh? I don't understand your question?
It is illegal to own 3rd Reich memorabilia, etc... As a rule you find German's not too keen on discussing this. I mean who likes to talk about such atrocities?

I think other than not being "keen" on discussing it, is it illegal to discuss it other than the fact that people will look down on you?[/quote]Is discussing what illegal? The Holocaust? Why would it be illegal?????

 

[moronmountain]

Huh? I don't understand your question?
It is illegal to own 3rd Reich memorabilia, etc... As a rule you find German's not too keen on discussing this. I mean who likes to talk about such atrocities?

I think other than not being "keen" on discussing it, is it illegal to discuss it other than the fact that people will look down on you?

Is discussing what illegal? The Holocaust? Why would it be illegal?????[/quote]

Heh I don't know. I was just trying to help clarify Chris' question. I didn't personally think it was illegal.

 

[Craggin]

I may just be splitting hairs here...but wouldn't the "Hitler" reference be more in line with the current administration than with a potentially far more "leftist" one?

Lessee...............

In the 30's, Hitler and the Nazi party systematically and incrementally took away the individuals rights, specifically property and private firearms ownership. When they had the country disarmed, the Holocaust began, and the 6 million Jews and the 15 million OTHER non-Jewish people who were slaughterd had no way to defend themselves from their Government, and the State seized their property.

The Bush administration appointed a Attorney General who just resigned, who has been a target for the Leftisits since he made the statement "I view the Second Amendment right to bare arms as an Individual right........"
Also, it is no secret the current administration has made a push for easing inheritence taxes, has appointed judges who don't "legislate from the bench" and support a traditional, literal interpretation of the Constitution, and generally supports individual property rights.

The prior Clinton administration passed the "assault weapons ban", was actively anti-individual property rights and anti-gun ownership rights. They also oversaw the Waco Massacre, where RICO laws were manipulated to authorize use of military weapons against private citizens, to enforce a warrant on a weapons charge......

You tell me

I'd be happy to...

Hitler = Facism = far right



There's a reason this current administration is being attacked. (Rove and Gonzales not withstanding.) They are on the extreme right of things...over 70% of America seems to agree. You may want to check your facts for something a bit deeper...as it stands, you're reasoning is reductive at best. (Gonzales was attacked for a "bit more" than as you put "defending the 2nd Amendment"...)

If you want to start discussing the intricacies of taxation on inheritance, the transfer of wealth, applicable exclusion amounts, international business law, etc., I'd be happy to continue the discussion with you offline...I have a bit of a background on that matter. I will say this, the Tax Relief Act of 2001 (which you allude to), was drafted and enacted before the events of Sept. 2001 and the subsequent war(s) that followed. I would also speculate that no administration would've passed that in its current state if they knew what was in store.

And to be precise (again, I'm splitting hairs here...) the applicable exclusion isn't an inheritance tax per se...it is a tax on the right to transfer property. Again, if you'd like to discuss further, feel free to contact me in a PM or email...I'd be happy to.


PS - I like Morello and EVH's music for different reasons. I don't know them personally, so I won't comment any further.

 

[Digital Jams]

Ed..................Odin is here to screw with you due to his puppet master World Ass Trashboy.

 

[degenaro]

Ed..................Odin is here to screw with you due to his puppet master World Ass Trashboy.

Maybe, maybe not. FWIW I don't do guilty by association. From what I see, whether I agree with him or not it's a conversation that is a lot more intelligent than I've had with either of those two clowns that spent their energy whining about Kage, Ralph and I.

 

[Copperhead]

No doubt that propoganda had a lot to do with shaping the nations' beliefs and attitude! I read a book describing the entertainment industry in Nazi Germany, the movies the people were watching were very Nationalistic, containing themes about Germany's historic struggles against Russia, etc. The same can be seen in the entertainment industry today, from movies to TV shows where consevative people are portrayed as buffooons and villains, barnyard sexual ethics are praised and homosexuality is portrayed as the norm...
What I'm referring to is the mechanics of how it was pulled off, the incremental stripping of the individuals rights. What I referred to regarding weapons seizure is absolute fact, first they were "registered" then they were collected "for the war effort", and banned for individual ownership. My history is correct.

I'm not disputing the fact that individual rights were stripped. However, that was not the reason it was pulled off. But rather because the the leaders found an easy scape goat. "you're unhappy because you don't have enough money? Take it from the Jews!" Was how it was pulled off, by mobilizing the majority and turning them into a willing, ignorant tool for genocide. How does it matter whether Hollywood depicts homosexuality as the norm? As long as the majority can be riled up against anything that night be difference you can get the same results as Germany.
And please don't give me history lessons on Germany, my Great grandfather lost everything-and he rich-because he didn't join the Nazi party, and the only reason he didn't end up in a camp was because my Grand mother married one of Himmler's henchmen. I'm very, very aware of Germany's past.

Not wanting to fight with you Ed!
I'm was talking about the "how" not the "why".
Yes, people lose sight of the fact that Nazi Germany killed 21 million of its' own citizens in the Holocaust, not "just" 6 million Jews.
Ultimately that's what I'm stabbing at, fighting against a Government that would change or "re-interpret" it's own Constitution and kill off it's own citizens.

 

['63-Strat]

Advice from a Canadian subject, not a free citizen.

Yep, you got me, I'm a Canadian citizen. But I'm also a history grad. Your credentials in history are? Have you ever lived in Canada? I have lived in the United States, and am moving back to the United States tomorrow, actually.

 

[degenaro]

Huh? I don't understand your question?
It is illegal to own 3rd Reich memorabilia, etc... As a rule you find German's not too keen on discussing this. I mean who likes to talk about such atrocities?

Oh, I hear ya! I wouldn't think most would want to talk about it. I thought I heard before that it was actually illegal or something to talk about those times or something? Like it's not listed in school books and nobody really discusses it.

I have no idea if any of that is true??? That's why I'm asking. I've always wondered if that's true.

The only thing I can think of is that it IS illegal to deny that there was a Holocaust.

 

[Jordon]

i like morello. not with audioslave but with ratm...
i like evh. not with van hagar but with van halen...

last i checked...1st amendment rights still counted, meaning morello has the right to be a commie AND evh has the right to be an asshole. people may not like you for either but you still have the right.
cool is cool. asshole is asshole. i'll take a commie over an asshole any day of the week...i don't give a fuk what you do for a living.

Yep, it's America. Therefore, I have the right to call Morello an anti-American commie and EVH a super prick.

America isn't all that great right last time I checked. Education decine and religious fervor is at an all time high right now. Communism is a great philosophy which will always get screwed up due to the nature of mankind.

Are you from the US? The education decline you speak of seems to be prevalent in your post.

 

[Jordon]

Sorry guys, I just don't get all of the EVH bashing. Unless the guy has directly done YOU a wrong why go after him. I heard all of the stories and they may be true but I've never had EVH come after me specifically so I can't display all of the hostility some of you seem to have toward him. Maybe I'm totally wrong but it sure smacks of envy...just saying.

Someone ALWAYS comes along and says people are jealous... Well yeah, I am jealous I can't play guitar for a living, have several hits, tens of millions of dollars, all the chicks I want, etc... But that's not the point.

With all due respect:

OK, let's say it's not about being jealous...then, what is the point? Why all of the anger toward someone who has not harmed you directly? I've read interviews were Malmsteen is being a complete shit and I saw a video of Nuno Bettencourt throwing his guitar across the stage at a roady 'cause it wasn't in tune yet I don't see any where near the bitching about them as I see about EVH.

I'm not trying to be a fanboy of EVH. In fact, although I respect him as a player, I've never been a big fan of the band...just not my style of music. It's just that I see SO much hatred directed his way it really makes me wonder why so much is directed his way and not nearly as much elsewhere. It's like he's everyone's favorite whipping boy here and on HC.

That is like saying you can't be pissed at Hitler because you're not Jewish, and none of your family was in the holocaust. I don't like Hitler, but I'm sure as fuck not jealous of him. I don't like Morello, and I'm not jealous of him. Why is it wrong when someone does not like the actions of another and speaks of it. All this "love one another, even if the other sucks in your eyes" seems like total pussy "I'll-lay-down-to-die-if-you-ask-me" shit.

 

[Odin]

Ed..................Odin is here to screw with you due to his puppet master World Ass Trashboy.

I have no idea what delusional thing you are speaking of.

 

[Odin]

Advice from a Canadian subject, not a free citizen.

Yep, you got me, I'm a Canadian citizen. But I'm also a history grad. Your credentials in history are? Have you ever lived in Canada? I have lived in the United States, and am moving back to the United States tomorrow, actually.

There are no Canadian free citizens, only subjects. Citizens are not prohibited from freely arming themselves without government interference, subjects are kept disarmed. You're a subject, make no mistake about it. Whether or not you realize or accept this fact does not change it.