MESA/Boogie® Mark IIC+ full demo & overview ft. Doug West & Tommy Waugh

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TheGreatGreen said:
Honestly, the Chicken Little act everybody seems to be pulling right now is pretty funny.

Like come on, at the very least, the IIC+ Reissue is probably not going to be worlds different than the IIC+ mode on the Mark VII, which has already been shown to be super close to the OG. And these amps were made by the same company at basically the same time. Any amp from a company like Mesa is going to take WAY longer than a year to go from concept to store shelves so it's basically guaranteed they were being developed in parallel.

Even if the IIC+ Reissue and the VII's IIC+ mode are as identical as possible, I'd bet the IIC+ is going to sound better than the VII's IIC+ mode because it has more options available. Two drive knobs, a bunch of push pull pots, etc.

Do you really, seriously think they'd make the VII's IIC+ mode as good as we've all heard it to be while at the same time pushing the IIC+ Reissue out the door with it only able to sound as crap-tastic as we've heard it sound far?
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VESmedic said:
They did…and they took it down…tells you all you need to know right there….
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I wonder if Lar’s goon squad of lawyers hit SW up with a cease letter because of Ben playing a Metallica tune!!
 
VESmedic said:
They did…and they took it down…tells you all you need to know right there….
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No man not with the Sweetwater dickheads lurking in the background like dlcreeps

Send it to his home studio and let him do what he does best
 
Finally, this one is pretty good compared to the official videos. I've cued it up to the Metallicaish tones with the classic V on the GEQ.

Go back to the 25 minute mark for where it starts with higher gain tones. Right at 42 minutes he compares it to an Original IIC+ with heavier tones including with a 7 string.

 
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MadAsAHatter said:
Finally, this one is pretty good compared to the official videos. I've cued it up to the Metallicaish tones with the classic V on the GEQ.

Go back to the 25 minute mark for where it starts with higher gain tones. Right at 42 minutes he compares it to an Original IIC+ with heavier tones including with a 7 string.

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This was posted before in this thread...the consensus was that his high gain tones still left plenty to be desired. Great player fer sure...
 
VESmedic said:
Im simply going by the allure of this amp online, and what they fetch for ( the OG)….ive just never seen so many excuses for a supposedly grail amp for some people sounding like…a fart. I mean I get it, I know how to dial them in and owned a IV for years ( my fav out of the bunch personally), but for 15-20k, and all these dudes including Mesa are struggling to “get what this amp is known for” out of it? I mean….thats just kinda lame…..id struggle really, REALLY hard to make a 5150 NOT sound like what it was known for, or just about any other high gain amp. Im not comparing the amps I’m simply comparing the ideology here. I’ve always felt that what the mark series is trying to do well, the recto with a great boost kills it, especially r he dirty tree. I realize this is off topic as well. But give. The marks eq structure and being preamp based, it’s eq is essentially the same thing as putting a boost in front of an amp, and I just feel like the rectos have always done that sound better. Much more dynamic ( honestly a recto is one of the most dynamic amps I’ve ever heard tracked ), more open, less compressed etc. this thing feels like its hitting you with a wiffel ball at 30 mph, while a recto feels like it’s hitting you with a bowling ball at 100mph.


Got off topic here, at the end of the day it shouldn’t be this difficult or so many excuses for a “grail” amp. Especially demos done by boogie themselves, they know what the hell they are doing with that thing, obviously.
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Well, I personally disagree that a recto kills it. Sure it is a more dynamic amp but a Mark series excells at surgical tightness and definition with thrash riffs... no recto can track that fast, they sound sluggish and messy by comparison, even boosted IMO. You've owned a Mark IV right? Well you should know that if you've got your master and output at about 3 it's got a hell of a punch to it (presence pushed of course) with the right cab.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
Yeah, I've said it before but if they reissue a chrome chassis rev F/G Triple Rec, I might just break my mouse clicking the preorder button. :D Take one of those amps and put a Dirty Tree out front, and you're kind of in grail tone territory. For heavy rhythm tones, that rig beats a Mark any day imo. Hell it beats most rigs.

I tend to really like Marks, but to me they're definitely built for a specific purpose, like they're inherently a more focused, slightly narrower, higher negative feedback (more polite, well behaved, controlled) kind of amp than most modern high gainers. They're great for smooth leads and very clear and controlled rhythm playing and stuff like that, but the hair-on-fire massive crushing stuff can be done better with a lot of other amps these days.
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I think you're forgetting that even Cannibal Corpse used a Mark V on one of their albums, and it's a pretty crushing tone. Mark's are more articulate, better at keeping things clear with complex riffing. Recto's are loose messy sounding amps IMO.
 
Candiria said:
My IV is the only thing keeping me from buying this and trying it out. I lean more towards the IV's 90's/00's sound than the 80's IIC+ tone.
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I have the same opinion. I lean towards the 90's and 00's as well when it comes to tones which is why I sold my Mark III and got a IV, it does those sounds better IMO.
 
mentoneman said:
trying to understand who these demos are targeting. Steven Segal?
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I can do this all day. :LOL:
 
anomaly said:
I think you're forgetting that even Cannibal Corpse used a Mark V on one of their albums, and it's a pretty crushing tone. Mark's are more articulate, better at keeping things clear with complex riffing. Recto's are loose messy sounding amps IMO.
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Man there’s no way in hell anyone with ears puts a mark v next to any recto and tells me it’s anywhere near the recto in terms of “crushing.” Also CC probably had the rectos on that album too
 
Speeddemon said:
This was posted before in this thread...the consensus was that his high gain tones still left plenty to be desired. Great player fer sure...
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Apparently I missed the earlier posting of it.
Definitely not the best demo, but the best so far. Agreed it still leaves things to be desired. I at least didn't hear anything that would make me dump my MKIII red stripe.

Maybe @VESmedic has been right all along. IIC+ is nothing but an overhyped POS. :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
 
anomaly said:
I think you're forgetting that even Cannibal Corpse used a Mark V on one of their albums, and it's a pretty crushing tone. Mark's are more articulate, better at keeping things clear with complex riffing. Recto's are loose messy sounding amps IMO.
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Hey I never said Marks can't get heavy. They definitely can. And for stuff where you need the tightest, most controlled kind of gain you can get, like say for Thrash, I don't know if I can think of a series of amp more suited to that.

But a Mark can't touch a properly boosted Recto for gigantic crushing heavy tones. Lots of amps are better for that kind of tone than Marks. But Marks have their own unique thing that other amps don't really do either.
 
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FWIW I've been through a tremendous number of amps, cabs & guitars, looking for combinations that excel. While most of them are good, some setups are duds and a few of them are amazing. I get a kick out off guys who listen to a finished tone and try & say that one component of that signal chain must be why, or likewise people who write off a piece of gear from a complex chain. IMO it's a much more complex system to create an amazing tone than any one part of the kit. And that's not even talking about the player- I can set up a heavy AF sound, hand the guitar to my brother & he makes it sound like Pink Floyd with only a volume knob roll & his fingers.

This is a lot like when the Mark VII came out. 18 pages of shit talking by people who have never played one! Not that it's not fun to BS, but let's keep it real. I'm sure the amp will be great as long as they got the FEELS right, and I'm sure the corporations will still suck at close mic recording.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
I never said Marks can't get heavy. They definitely can. And for stuff where you need the tightest, most controlled kind of gain you can get, like say for Thrash, I don't know if I can think of a series of amp more suited to that.

But a Mark can't touch a properly boosted Recto for gigantic crushing heavy tones.
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Hey now, *a 4 tube Mark. My IIB+ Coli with no negative feedback will crush any Triple, and probably most any amp out there. AND be tight AF. Ask @Beyond Black.
 
GJgo said:
Hey now, *a 4 tube Mark. My IIB+ Coli with no negative feedback will crush any Triple, and probably most any amp out there. AND be tight AF. Ask @Beyond Black.
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Ah come on my dude, if you have a Mark with a power section modded for no negative feedback, that's not a standard Mark amp, it's something else, whether or not it was modded by Mike B. Kinda like a Hermansson modded Recto isn't a standard Recto.

Either way, I bet that IIB+ coli of yours fucking kills though, hah. I used to have a IIB and even with only 4 6L6's in the back, if you boosted the mids it was louder than any other amp in the room, and it wasn't close. I can't imagine mids like that being pushed through a 180 watt power section. Good lord. :D
 
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