MESA/Boogie® Mark IIC+ full demo & overview ft. Doug West & Tommy Waugh

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FWIW I've been through a tremendous number of amps, cabs & guitars, looking for combinations that excel. While most of them are good, some setups are duds and a few of them are amazing. I get a kick out off guys who listen to a finished tone and try & say that one component of that signal chain must be why, or likewise people who write off a piece of gear from a complex chain. IMO it's a much more complex system to create an amazing tone than any one part of the kit. And that's not even talking about the player- I can set up a heavy AF sound, hand the guitar to my brother & he makes it sound like Pink Floyd with only a volume knob roll & his fingers.

This is a lot like when the Mark VII came out. 18 pages of shit talking by people who have never played one! Not that it's not fun to BS, but let's keep it real. I'm sure the amp will be great as long as they got the FEELS right, and I'm sure the corporations will still suck at close mic recording.

Fuckin preach, man. Right on.

Seeing people hear the amp dialed with a frown EQ and the Bass knob turned up to 6, into an open back 1x12 and played by the biggest "hello, fellow kids" corporate douche ever, who has no chops for the kind of stuff you’d play through a Mark at all, and instantly they’re like "welp that means it must suck in every situation. CONFIRMED!" and it’s equal parts funny and frustrating. The amp is one ingredient in a chain, and every link matters.

Also I swear most guitar players must have memories worse than goldfish. Mesa/Gibson followed this EXACT same pattern with the Mark VII as recently as last year and nobody seems to remember it.
 
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Ah come on my dude, if you have a Mark with a power section modded for no negative feedback, that's not a standard Mark amp, it's something else, whether or not it was modded by Mike B. Kinda like a Hermansson modded Recto isn't a standard Recto.

Either way, I bet that IIB+ coli of yours fucking kills though, hah. I used to have a IIB and even with only 4 6L6's in the back, if you boosted the mids it was louder than any other amp in the room, and it wasn't close. I can't imagine mids like that being pushed through a 180 watt power section. Good lord. :D
It's not modded, that's standard issue on IIB Colis. They are legitimately unusably loud for most people. Fortunatley I live in the country!

The IIC+ Coli is FAR more polite with its limit knob.

The III Colis are a different power section & a step down in authority from the IIs.
 
What the Hell, one more:



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Well well well. So here's something interesting. Dinesh released a video of the new Les Paul Studio guitars and used a Mesa JP2C in this one.
And wouldn't you know it, the tones he gets are JUST AS SHITTY with the JP2C as when he dialed in the IIC+ reissue.



Told you fuckers.
The problem is, specifically, Dinesh and people like him who have no idea what they're doing, not the amps.
 
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Well well well. So here's something interesting. Dinesh released a video of the new Les Paul Studio guitars and used a Mesa Mark JP2C in this one.
And wouldn't you know it, the tones he gets are JUST AS SHITTY with the JP2C as when he dialed in the IIC+ reissue.



Told you fuckers.
The problem is, specifically, Dinesh and people like him who have no idea what they're doing. Not the amps.

I somehow think he wants them to sound like Marshalls. Gibson+Marshall=match
 
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Input Vol on 8, but Treble halfway up. Even I know you gotta dime the Treble w/ the input Vol 8 or dimed.
When the Synergy 2C+ came out, I remember a few guys making mediocre demos, until it got into the hands of folks who knew how to dial it in, including Steve Fryette.
Yep! This is the way, IMO. Input 1/Vol 1 pulled, dimed...and Treble pulled, dimed. Only way to go, for my taste. I even dimed the presence which allowed me to lower the 2200 a little bit as well. Bass, mids on 0 or maybe 1. Gain 5-8, pulled would depend on speakers used. Both volumes up to 3-6 depending.
V GEQ of course.
 
Hey now, *a 4 tube Mark. My IIB+ Coli with no negative feedback will crush any Triple, and probably most any amp out there. AND be tight AF. Ask @Beyond Black.
This, and it's not even close.

I like Rectos, both F Triples I had and of course, the mighty Rev C was the king of all things Mesa. But, after 4 C+ including a particularly killer 2B-C+ Coli conversion Mike B did for me, I have to say the Marks were to my ears FAR more heavy sounding, and WAAAY tighter (if that's your thing) than any of the Fs, or the 1 C Recto I had.
I personally liked my Rev C best of any Mesa I owned; but it isn't as heavy a sound as the Marks were, to my ears.
 
How do you like it. I heard your boosted video and it did sound really good

I have owned about Eight Mesa Mark IV’s and it is one of my favorite of the mark series. I did not care for the feel of the JP2C (I owned two of them). Just got the Reissue today, it does not have quite the same amount of liquid gain as a Mark IV, its a l bit less, boosted its great! It did take me a minute to dial in how i like it. The Master 1 volume does effect your lead master/gain. I have never play a real IIc+ but this seems pretty killer. I will try and do a quality recording in a few days, some of my studio gear is setup for a session this weekend
 
Which Mark is the most user-friendly, easiest to dial in, and won't rip your head off on .5 on the volume? I've been kicking around a Mark IV or V used.. I still don't like how everything has 1×8 and 2x4 speaker inputs
 
Yeah after listening again, there's something fishy about it in the high end. Either it's not the real amp or it's going through some weird IR's. I think I'm gonna delete the post for now just in case.
It's the real deal, going through my friend's cab with some eminence speaker. I'll be borrowing it and running it through my v30 and greenback cabs soon.
 
I have owned about Eight Mesa Mark IV’s and it is one of my favorite of the mark series. I did not care for the feel of the JP2C (I owned two of them). Just got the Reissue today, it does not have quite the same amount of liquid gain as a Mark IV, its a l bit less, boosted its great! It did take me a minute to dial in how i like it. The Master 1 volume does effect your lead master/gain. I have never play a real IIc+ but this seems pretty killer. I will try and do a quality recording in a few days, some of my studio gear is setup for a session this weekend
So it’s better for you than the jp2c? I played a jp2c next to a mark vii and felt the vii smoked the jp2c
 
I have owned about Eight Mesa Mark IV’s and it is one of my favorite of the mark series. I did not care for the feel of the JP2C (I owned two of them). Just got the Reissue today, it does not have quite the same amount of liquid gain as a Mark IV, its a l bit less, boosted its great! It did take me a minute to dial in how i like it. The Master 1 volume does effect your lead master/gain. I have never play a real IIc+ but this seems pretty killer. I will try and do a quality recording in a few days, some of my studio gear is setup for a session this weekend
The feel was my problem with the JP2C. The III, IV and VII feel miles better.
 
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