No pornhub in Tejas sucks to be them. Way to go republicans.

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I tell my friends with kids whatever you don't want them to know they already know and whatever you dont want them to do they're already doing cuz they got Google.
Kids can make up their own mind.
They have or are trying to remove any books with sex from local libraries here and the leadership of course is republican.
The did the same in Nazi Germany.
 
shar-vell Dan said:
I tell my friends with kids whatever you don't want them to know they already know and whatever you dont want them to do they're already doing cuz they got Google.
Kids can make up their own mind.
They have or are trying to remove any books with sex from local libraries here and the leadership of course is republican.
The did the same in Nazi Germany.
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Kids are resourceful indeed. Regardless, parents should have the right to control what their children are exposed to -- not politicians, school teachers, administrators, or your liberal neighbor.
 
shar-vell Dan said:
I tell my friends with kids whatever you don't want them to know they already know and whatever you dont want them to do they're already doing cuz they got Google.
Kids can make up their own mind.
They have or are trying to remove any books with sex from local libraries here and the leadership of course is republican.
The did the same in Nazi Germany.
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You tell your friends kids that it's okay to just look at whatever on the internet?
 
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shar-vell Dan said:
I tell my friends with kids whatever you don't want them to know they already know and whatever you dont want them to do they're already doing cuz they got Google.
Kids can make up their own mind.
They have or are trying to remove any books with sex from local libraries here and the leadership of course is republican.
The did the same in Nazi Germany.
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I think the root of it is parents that just don’t want to deal with it. Kids will get into whatever they want to. Let’s not encourage it, but let’s also do our jobs as parents and teach our kids instead of trying to hide stuff from them.
Also something else bizarre I just thought of, age of consent in Texas is younger than the age to watch porn on the internet. Get the fuck outta here
 
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Kids are resourceful indeed. Regardless, parents should have the right to control what their children are exposed to -- not politicians, school teachers, administrators, or your liberal neighbor.
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That's true but there's a line. As you well know, just because my parent's forbade me from drinking that didn't stop me. And in my day there were plenty of places teenagers could go and buy beer and liquor.
I'm not saying this is a perfect analogy, but your statement as a "Blanket statement" doesn't do it for me.
 
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That's true but there's a line. As you well know, just because my parent's forbade me from drinking that didn't stop me. And in my day there were plenty of places teenagers could go and buy beer and liquor.
I'm not saying this is a perfect analogy, but your statement as a "Blanket statement" doesn't do it for me.
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Yeah, speaking in general about when parents have the ability to control something (or should), not in cases when kids are going around their back and so on. Legally those stores shouldn't have sold to you, and I think a parent should have a right to take action in that case. And even if it was legal for them to sell to you. That's my point.
 
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Monkey Man said:
I knew you'd say that 'cause I understand your POV brother.

I simply don't believe in the clamping-down-on-everything approach; it's a slippery slope towards dictatorship.

If junk food, tobacco, booze, gambling and "drugs" were all bant there'd be heavy-duty black markets for all of them.

Easier to keep everything "in plain sight" / legal. It's up to individuals to resist or temper their "appetites"; it's part of the journey of life - learning to exercise self-control.
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The "plain sight" method on a bunch of those things doesn't seemed to have worked well in many of the major cities and a whole bunch of them decided to dial it back because even the people who otherwise are a on a side that supports those things, don't want to live where it is allowed. If we are all gonna be a reed bent in the wind of everyone's mad vices say goodbye to society. That is pretty much what we are witnessing post sexual revolution/counterculture USA. The great decline begins when you allow the promotion of the immoral or criminal to the stage that the authorities have given it their blessing. We have that America now and everyone down in OTC bitches about it. *shrugs
 
japetus said:
You tell your friends kids that it's okay to just look at whatever on the internet?
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Like who is gonna stop them, republican politicians ?
If they're old enough to have internet what you think they're gonna do ?
Parents can decide what their kids can do not the Government.
 
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The "plain sight" method on a bunch of those things doesn't seemed to have worked well in many of the major cities and a whole bunch of them decided to dial it back because even the people who otherwise are a on a side that supports those things, don't want to live where it is allowed. If we are all gonna be a reed bent in the wind of everyone's mad vices say goodbye to society. That is pretty much what we are witnessing post sexual revolution/counterculture USA. The great decline begins when you allow the promotion of the immoral or criminal to the stage that the authorities have given it their blessing. We have that America now and everyone down in OTC bitches about it. *shrugs
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I agree!

There's a big difference between the fallout of the two scenarios 'though:

Plain-sight approach:
Only those who willingly play with fire risk being burned.

Ban-everything approach:
The many black markets' violent turf wars, arson and so on will result in the loss of "innocent" life. Everyone "suffers" because of the few. Sound familiar?

Further, imagine going to a party where there's no alcohol, no bongs in the back room, no party snacks and no music other than that deemed to have "healthy" lyrics. That's well into North Korean territory where the gubment decides which flavour of dance you can do, monitored by an official. I don't know of anyone who'd look forward to a night out like that. People need to let their hair down in a manner of their choosing.

So yeah, just as it's not guns that kill people, it's not the availability of these potential vices but the decisions of free-willed folks that can lead to their demise. Chase the dragon and it's on you to pull out before it's too-late. IOW I believe the problem lies in educational, societal and media indoctrination.

The main point of difference is that I don't see any amount of regulation's resulting in a Utopia 'cause we've had the free will and tendency toward destruction's being the default state of humans for several thousand years now at least. It's pie-in-the-sky stuff AFAIC.

Anywho, again, I knew your position from the get-go and fully understand it. Hopefully you can see the utility in mine as I see the ideal in yours. Pragmatism vs idealism IMHO.
 
Monkey Man said:
I agree!

There's a big difference between the fallout of the two scenarios 'though:

Plain-sight approach:
Only those who willingly play with fire risk being burned.

Ban-everything approach:
The many black markets' violent turf wars, arson and so on will result in the loss of "innocent" life. Everyone "suffers" because of the few. Sound familiar?

Further, imagine going to a party where there's no alcohol, no bongs in the back room, no party snacks and no music other than that deemed to have "healthy" lyrics. That's well into North Korean territory where the gubment decides which flavour of dance you can do, monitored by an official. I don't know of anyone who'd look forward to a night out like that. People need to let their hair down in a manner of their choosing.

So yeah, just as it's not guns that kill people, it's not the availability of these potential vices but the decisions of free-willed folks that can lead to their demise. Chase the dragon and it's on you to pull out before it's too-late. IOW I believe the problem lies in educational, societal and media indoctrination.

The main point of difference is that I don't see any amount of regulation's resulting in a Utopia 'cause we've had the free will and tendency toward destruction's being the default state of humans for several thousand years now at least. It's pie-in-the-sky stuff AFAIC.

Anywho, again, I knew your position from the get-go and fully understand it. Hopefully you can see the utility in mine as I see the ideal in yours. Pragmatism vs idealism IMHO.
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I get exactly where you are coming from but I am def not suggesting a ban everything approach at all. My suggestion/argument is that vices that were illegal for most of America's history (the eras that made us successful) return to that status. To me that is actually the utility approach because we will still have a society when we are done, I'd say that's pretty utilitarian and tbh as a "only has two electric guitars" guy I am very utilitarian minded. My "ideal" is that everyone would be a devoted orthodox person, lemme hold my breath on that one. :LOL:☦️
 
Totally get ya again brother.

Even back in the "wild" west 'though, many peeps suffered from severe opioid (procured from doctors) and alcohol dependencies.

Fact is that if it exists, people will try it. Can't see that inherent tendency towards sin / self-destruction ever changing. No sensible Christian's gonna disagree with that.
 
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Totally get ya again brother.

Even back in the "wild" west 'though, many peeps suffered from severe opioid (procured from doctors) and alcohol dependencies.

Fact is that if it exists, people will try it. Can't see that inherent tendency towards sin / self-destruction ever changing. No sensible Christian's gonna disagree with that.
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Just because an addict will never change does not mean I'm going to hand him his preferred poison. Just cause hooking is one of the oldest professions does not mean I am going to let her stand on my street corner. Just because you can shoot craps on a stoop somewhere doesn't mean we should give you a plush chair and put a drink in your hand for you. Easing of access to vice is detriment, not a solution IMO. I don't like the "well people are gonna do it anyways" excuse/approach. Of course they will do it, but they ain't doing it here is mine.
 
VonBonfire said:
Easing of access to vice is detriment, not a solution IMO. I don't like the "well people are gonna do it anyways" excuse/approach. Of course they will do it, but they ain't doing it here is mine.
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We're currently suffering the consequences of the idea that it's the government's job to nanny and moralize it's citizens -- just by the progressives. Once accepted, it's difficult to control where this can lead. It's certainly your business what goes on in your house, and hopefully you have some say regarding your street too. But a centralized authority dictating morality across the land is a bad idea methinks. And the failed 'war on drugs' for example has ruined more lives than helped, if it's helped any.
 
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acceptance said:
We're currently suffering the consequences of the idea that it's the government's job to nanny and moralize it's citizens -- just from the progressives. Once accepted, it's difficult to control where this can lead. It's certainly your business what goes on in your house, and hopefully you have some say regarding your street too. But a centralized authority dictating morality across the land is a bad idea methinks.
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Except the progressives aren't moral, they are immoral. They are promoting all sorts of ill shit and then expecting rank and file people to raise it up as a standard of virtue or else face cancellation. That is much different than re-criminalizing activities that were long illegal and long considered detrimental to society. One is attempting to innovate morality, the other is seeking a return to the traditions of their people.

I don't know if we are so much discussing a centralized authority or not. But we are talking about state authorities here on the particular issue this thread is about and every state authority regulates pretty much all vices already. Who can buys cigs and beer. Where you can and can't drink in public. Where you can and can't open a smut shop. In that regard I don't see requiring an ID for porn sites as a problem. You have to provide ID to buy ammo online, to me that's a much bigger problem because ammo isn't really a vice and guns are something specifically enumerated in the constitution.
 
I'm all for legalizing drugs, porn, prostitution even. But we're talking about little kids here.
 
VonBonfire said:
Except the progressives aren't moral, they are immoral. They are promoting all sorts of ill shit and then expecting rank and file people to raise it up as a standard of virtue or else face cancellation. That is much different than re-criminalizing activities that were long illegal and long considered detrimental to society. One is attempting to innovate morality, the other is seeking a return to the traditions of their people.

I don't know if we are so much discussing a centralized authority or not. But we are talking about state authorities here on the particular issue this thread is about and every state authority regulates pretty much all vices already. Who can buys cigs and beer. Where you can and can't drink in public. Where you can and can't open a smut shop. In that regard I don't see requiring an ID for porn sites as a problem. You have to provide ID to buy ammo online, to me that's a much bigger problem because ammo isn't really a vice and guns are something specifically enumerated in the constitution.
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I know the progressive 'morality' is novel, but my point is that it is still the same mechanism in my view, IE using the state to enforce ones vision of right and wrong. I think it would be better for prohibitions to be very basic and widely if not universally held, like assault, murder, theft, etc. And I'm all for families and private communities making whatever types of rules they see fit.
 
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