OT:Pit Bull attack

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sah5150":68508 said:
Shawn Lutz":68508 said:
I would have killed the Pit right there on the spot either with my bare hands or baseball bat....yeah...yeah..ever seen a Pitbull in a rage? who cares?... ever see me in a rage, I'd prevail :)

I'm sure you are kidding, however, I'd pay to see you take on an attacking pit bull with your bare hands and prevailing. A fully grown adult would tear you to pieces with no problem if so inclined and there would be little you could do about it...

That is the problem with dogs with this size, speed and strength. Any dog can attack and be vicious for a variety of reasons and it is not only poor training that leads to this, however, the damage a Shih Tzu can do is probably not gonna be much of a problem. :) A pit bull on the other hand is gonna be a problem. A BIG problem...

Frankly, I don't want anything in my house that can rip me to shreds on a whim and has it in its DNA to do so... and I don't want any of my neighbors to be owning something that can do so either... Of course, I have no control over this...

Steve

lol...dude...I'm a hockey player and oblivious to dem kinda flesh wounds :lol: :LOL:
 
Maybe man, but I doubt it. Just think if that Pit wasn't distracted by the other dog, your son and neighbor. If the dog was focusing his full furry on you alone...also, think what would have happened if you didn't have the gun to hit him with or any other weapon. I think things might have been much, much worse. :no:[/quote]

I have said myself it could have been much worse BUT that does not mean that had it been all hope would have been lost.I would have improvised, adapted and overcome. If you knew me personally you would agree, during the fight I had my eye on my "brinks" home security yard sign that was 6 feet away and if I had to I could have stabbed that shithead to death with it. I had several backup plans that were thankfully not needed.Giving up and surrender were not on that list.............
 
lol...dude...I'm a hockey player and oblivious to dem kinda flesh wounds :lol: :LOL:[/quote]


LOL Now THATS metal :rock:
 
I am glad I did not look at the first page again, I guess there are pics and when it comes to animals I would rather not look.

I have seen my Shephard rip basketballs apart, chew up those greenies in 30 seconds flat............no way would I want to tangle with something like that if I could help it.
 
zepman":5d238 said:
Maybe man, but I doubt it. Just think if that Pit wasn't distracted by the other dog, your son and neighbor. If the dog was focusing his full furry on you alone...also, think what would have happened if you didn't have the gun to hit him with or any other weapon. I think things might have been much, much worse. :no:

I have said myself it could have been much worse BUT that does not mean that had it been all hope would have been lost.I would have improvised, adapted and overcome. If you knew me personally you would agree, during the fight I had my eye on my "brinks" home security yard sign that was 6 feet away and if I had to I could have stabbed that shithead to death with it. I had several backup plans that were thankfully not needed.Giving up and surrender were not on that list.............[/quote]

Well, I'm just glad you guys are ok...beams to your dog. :thumbsup:
 
zepman":386aa said:
Join the club Bro.......I will never trust another one again :gethim:

yeah. i guess i just don't understand the mentality of someone who thinks it's a good idea to have one (for macho reasons).

wow, you're so badass you need a dog to protect you?

:confused:
 
zepman":c7972 said:
I have said myself it could have been much worse BUT that does not mean that had it been all hope would have been lost.I would have improvised, adapted and overcome. If you knew me personally you would agree, during the fight I had my eye on my "brinks" home security yard sign that was 6 feet away and if I had to I could have stabbed that shithead to death with it. I had several backup plans that were thankfully not needed.Giving up and surrender were not on that list.............

I totally agree, you kept a level head and went into survival mode. I really don't care how baddass folks make Pitbulls out to be but when in any kind of attack (from humans or animals) one needs to keep calm and not panic as to affect ones thought process. Most folks panic, freeze and focus on the pain or one task of getting the dog off of them and will stick to it even if its not working. To me it becomes a survival mode where pain is nothing and life is everything. I honestly wouldnt want to go through it but all joking aside for me personally it is unlikely I'd lose to a single pitbull. One can't say what they would do until they are really in the stiuation but I would not be focused on one single thing for very long if it was ineffective. The joke about a hockey player is that pain will not affect judgement, a full grown adult pit is a lot lighter than what one is capable of lifting. Concrete is a lot harder than a pitbulls head, walking around with a pitbull attached and chomping on ya and grabing a knife, bat, gun, rock, jumping pool to drown sob, swinging insane dog into brick wall is not out of questin. I'm sorry but i value my life and I'd like to think I'm smarter than any dog and would not be killed by a single dog. It certainly wouldnt be pretty and one would sustain some good injuries but the dog wouldn't be left standing. If I lost I'd want my gravestone to read...pussy who let 75lb dog leave his chldren fatherless :lol: :LOL: Sorry but I have more fight in me than to let that happen
 
It's good to hear you and you dog are doing well. My family is quite involved with the local animals here (big groups of dog walkers) and I can say my parents have had no problems letting our maltese and sheltie frolick with St. Bernards, Irish Wolf hounds and all other manners of dogs, but no way is a pit allowed at the local walking areas, community rejects them.

I guess it is hard to justify the continued existance of a breed that is dangerous and can't be contrlled as well as German shepards or Saint Bernards can
 
zepman":6bbf9 said:
I am just sick of pussies that go out and get tough dogs thinking that somehow makes THEM more of a man. I see it all the time these little punks bragging about how "badass" their dogs are. I have small problem with the breed, BUT its the fucking owners that burn my ass most...............John
moronmountain":6bbf9 said:
Yeah I agree with that. Certain dogs are more dominant and prone to biting than others, but in the end it's the owners that are a mess. I saw some medium sized dude the other day walking 2 pit's who were pulling him along, and I was just thinking what a mess that was.

You're 100% correct. It's the old "an extension of your penis" syndrome,....fucking retarded.

I owned a Rottie for awhile back in the early 90's. Bought it from a reputable breeder, took it to obedience classes,...walked him everyday, and never had him off a leash when doing so. He was a very good dog, and loved people but I knew that he was capable of inflicting a lot more damage then say a Cocker Spaniel if for some reason a situation when bad. When you own dogs like Rotties, German Shepards, Pits, etc, a HUGE responsibility comes along with it. At this stage I'm not sure if I'd ever want to own a dog like that again,...and it was probably a stupid thing to do when I was younger.

The whole Pit Bull thing,...they are definitely a sort of "weapon". There should be a law requiring you be a licensed dog handler/trainer in order to own one.
 
sah5150":8583d said:
moronmountain":8583d said:
The reason most people get hurt seriously by dogs is because they freak out and cover up. A Pit is a fairly small dog. I'm not saying you wouldn't lose a finger or something, but I don't think one could kill you if acted aggressively enough. I mean if you could get your hands on it's throat you could choke it out. It would have to get a good hold of your throat, stomach, or groin to really kill you. You could mess it up internally pretty bad by stomping it as well. I wouldn't just sit there and die if one attacked me. A 150lb + dog on the other hand..................... :no:

I hope you are never attacked by a pit bull. This is the worst advice ever based on everything I've read about how to stop a dog attack. But good luck with choking it out...

Steve

Have you ever been attacked by one? I don't know what would stop it, but you make it sound like a HUGE monster. They are a mean little monster that bites REALLY hard. They aren't immortal.
 
Shawn Lutz":890df said:
I totally agree, you kept a level head and went into survival mode. I really don't care how baddass folks make Pitbulls out to be but when in any kind of attack (from humans or animals) one needs to keep calm and not panic as to affect ones thought process. Most folks panic, freeze and focus on the pain or one task of getting the dog off of them and will stick to it even if its not working. To me it becomes a survival mode where pain is nothing and life is everything. I honestly wouldnt want to go through it but all joking aside for me personally it is unlikely I'd lose to a single pitbull. One can't say what they would do until they are really in the stiuation but I would not be focused on one single thing for very long if it was ineffective. The joke about a hockey player is that pain will not affect judgement, a full grown adult pit is a lot lighter than what one is capable of lifting. Concrete is a lot harder than a pitbulls head, walking around with a pitbull attached and chomping on ya and grabing a knife, bat, gun, rock, jumping pool to drown sob, swinging insane dog into brick wall is not out of questin. I'm sorry but i value my life and I'd like to think I'm smarter than any dog and would not be killed by a single dog. It certainly wouldnt be pretty and one would sustain some good injuries but the dog wouldn't be left standing. If I lost I'd want my gravestone to read...pussy who let 75lb dog leave his chldren fatherless :lol: :LOL: Sorry but I have more fight in me than to let that happen

All I said was that you are unlikely to beat a pit that is intent on attacking with just your bare hands. Of course in survival mode you keep your head and find a weapon, but you are likely to be badly hurt in the process from the bites. I'm not saying that you couldn't get through it by finding a weapon and keeping your head or that you should give up. Give me a break, if I'm attacked, I'm going to fight to the death no matter what or who it is. That wasn't my point...

Steve
 
moronmountain":64359 said:
Have you ever been attacked by one? I don't know what would stop it, but you make it sound like a HUGE monster. They are a mean little monster that bites REALLY hard. They aren't immortal.

I never said they were. What I said to you was that your advice was really bad based on what I have read about dealing with dog attacks.

Steve
 
I totally agree, you kept a level head and went into survival mode. I really don't care how baddass folks make Pitbulls out to be but when in any kind of attack (from humans or animals) one needs to keep calm and not panic as to affect ones thought process. Most folks panic, freeze and focus on the pain or one task of getting the dog off of them and will stick to it even if its not working. To me it becomes a survival mode where pain is nothing and life is everything. I honestly wouldnt want to go through it but all joking aside for me personally it is unlikely I'd lose to a single pitbull. One can't say what they would do until they are really in the stiuation but I would not be focused on one single thing for very long if it was ineffective. The joke about a hockey player is that pain will not affect judgement, a full grown adult pit is a lot lighter than what one is capable of lifting. Concrete is a lot harder than a pitbulls head, walking around with a pitbull attached and chomping on ya and grabing a knife, bat, gun, rock, jumping pool to drown sob, swinging insane dog into brick wall is not out of questin. I'm sorry but i value my life and I'd like to think I'm smarter than any dog and would not be killed by a single dog. It certainly wouldnt be pretty and one would sustain some good injuries but the dog wouldn't be left standing. If I lost I'd want my gravestone to read...pussy who let 75lb dog leave his chldren fatherless :lol: :LOL: Sorry but I have more fight in me than to let that happen[/quote]


Great post. But Steve is right in his post ,HE wouldnt stand a chance against a pit because he has already convinced himself he cannot win.The mind is a powerful tool, I was raised with a CAN-DO attitude and can see many of you guys are the same way. Thank God. How would you like to be in a foxhole next to a guy that kept telling you how damn immpossible it is going to be to win. :gethim:
No thanks :D One thing is for sure. Goldie knows she is loved and her "pack" will fight for her life. I cant imagine what it would have been like for her to be in the jaws of that beast and to see me just standing there because " I could never win against a pit" Fuck that shit. I will agree IF you dont fight you will NEVER win period. ...........John
 
sah5150":52b7d said:
moronmountain":52b7d said:
Have you ever been attacked by one? I don't know what would stop it, but you make it sound like a HUGE monster. They are a mean little monster that bites REALLY hard. They aren't immortal.

I never said they were. What I said to you was that your advice was really bad based on what I have read about dealing with dog attacks.

Steve

Attack dogs normally grab a limb. If you decide that you're gonna get bit and be ok with it, then you have a good chance of doing something really bad to that dog. I'll gouge it's eyes, bite it, stuff my hand down it's throat, etc. I'll do whatever including putting both knees, full weight into it's ribs. I'm not gonna let something that weighs 40-50lbs kill me no matter how mean it is. I have had a dog attack me btw. ;)
 
I'll do whatever including putting both knees, full weight into it's ribs. I'm not gonna let something that weighs 40-50lbs kill me no matter how mean it is. I have had a dog attack me btw. ;)[/quote]


I did the knee drop and it DEFENETLY took some fight out of this dog.Great advice.
Goldie is doing great today, although she hasnt eaten much since the attack, she is jumping up and down, chasing crickets(she thinks she is a hunting dog ;) ) and acting playful.This pit was in the 80-90 lb range BUT I still agree I am not going to die by something I outweigh UNLESS its packing poison like a snake. Then I run around screaming like a girlie man :D
 
zepman":290b6 said:
I'll do whatever including putting both knees, full weight into it's ribs. I'm not gonna let something that weighs 40-50lbs kill me no matter how mean it is. I have had a dog attack me btw. ;)


I did the knee drop and it DEFENETLY took some fight out of this dog.Great advice.
Goldie is doing great today, although she hasnt eaten much since the attack, she is jumping up and down, chasing crickets(she thinks she is a hunting dog ;) ) and acting playful.This pit was in the 80-90 lb range BUT I still agree I am not going to die by something I outweigh UNLESS its packing poison like a snake. Then I run around screaming like a girlie man :D[/quote]

LMAO! A 90lb Pit is deffinately formidable and quite rare. They normally don't get over 70lbs. I still wouldn't sit there and let it eat me though heh. I'm glad your dog is doing better. Hopefully she'll eat soon. Animals know how to recover a lot better than we do from injury I think. Hopefully she doesn't have any internal damage that's keeping her from eating, but I'm sure she'll recover fine. Yeah a cobra, rattler, etc. would scare the man right out of me as well lol! The scariest thing I ever came across was when a 2k plus lb. white face bull chased me when I was a kid. I swear I could almost feel it breathing on me as I jumped over a barbed wire fence into a blackberry bush.
 
zepman":1fd9e said:
IGreat post. But Steve is right in his post ,HE wouldnt stand a chance against a pit because he has already convinced himself he cannot win.The mind is a powerful tool, I was raised with a CAN-DO attitude and can see many of you guys are the same way.

Dude - you have no idea what you are talking about. I never said that I wouldn't fight to save my own fucking life... all I said was that you need a weapon, which I would figure out some way to get. You are not "choking out" an attacking pit bull or beating one to death with your bare fucking hands. And either way, you are gonna be suffering some losses yourself... Congrats on your "CAN-DO" attitude", but you have hugely misinterpreted me and my posts...

Steve
 
moronmountain":007ae said:
Attack dogs normally grab a limb. If you decide that you're gonna get bit and be ok with it, then you have a good chance of doing something really bad to that dog. I'll gouge it's eyes, bite it, stuff my hand down it's throat, etc. I'll do whatever including putting both knees, full weight into it's ribs. I'm not gonna let something that weighs 40-50lbs kill me no matter how mean it is. I have had a dog attack me btw. ;)

Like I said, good luck with that. I'd find a weapon of some type.

Bite it. HA! Awesome... :lol: :LOL:

Steve
 
Gonna take Steve's side here. I'm sure you would put up a formiddable fight but with just your bare hands I don't think you'd stand a chance.
 
zepman":1bd20 said:
At 1:30 am last Sunday, we awoke to our home security system in alarm due to no electrical supply. I got up and noticed a light in my backyard. Thinking it may be an intruder with a flashlight, I grabbed my 45 pistol and headed out back. It turned out to be a police dept helo looking for a runner from a hit and run accident which took out a power pole(thus no ac at my house). My 13 year old daughter had a friend spending the night and I decided to move them into the camping trailer out front and run the generater so they would have a/c , TV etc.I grabbed the keys, gun still in pocket and headed out front to open up the trailer for the girls. My son followed (17) carring Golide the cockapoo. The guys who have come by during NAMM should remember her. I had just reached the trailer and stuck my key into the lock when my son came through the gate with Goldie in his hands. All hell broke loose. A pit and a Rott from down the street ran up to Jimmy and the pit began attacking. I ran over kicked it free from my boy , grabbed his collar, stuck my 45(see how lucky it was I was even armed because normally I wouldnt even think of arming myself just to walk to my driveway) to his spine and just started the squeeze when the dogs owner, hearing the commotion came out of the darkness jumping onto his dog to restrain it , not knowing I had a gun. Since I could no longer safely shoot(too many people , too close and over concrete made this shot a high risk for overpenitration and hurting a bystander) and our dog was still in its jaws, I pistol whipped that shithead until it bled and it still didnt whine or let go. I had to put my hands into its mouth and pry it open to get our dog free.
The owner of the pit ran the dogs home and got his truck and away we went 80MPH through red lights etc to get this dog to a vet before she bled out.
After 4 hours surgery they stabilized her enough to think she would live.Here we are 4 days later and she is making HUGE gains each day. Unless there is a problem with infection she will be just fine.
Both of my hands were bitten. The right hand was the worst with two very deep punctures that were connected, so its healing a little slow BUT I got off REALLY lucky with VERY minor bites.
There are so many things to be thankful for in this situation. One is I was armed and had it bee an attack on myself or my kids I could have stopped it immediatly. The risk of overpenitration in that case wouldnt have outwieghed the risk of serious injury or death to a human and I would have had all the justification to shoot. As much as I love our dog, she is not worth risking injuring bystanders with a gunshot.
Also I cant tell you how releived I was to find out that my son was unhurt, in fact once he had lost grip of Goldie, he got out of the way and let Dad handle the Hand to hand combat :gethim:
The pits owner although his failure to restrain his dogs led to this attack, his actions after that were heroic. He jumped into the frey and helped me fight this fucker and once Goldie was free, without him to drive she would have bled to death since I couldnt hold pressure on the HUGE open wounds and drive at the same time. He also has paid every penny of the vet bills and has many more to follow.
I am so lucky that the Rott didnt join in. She wieghs almost as much as me. She just ran around excited but never engaged.Those two dogs together could have easily killed me or one of my kids.
Guys if you have kids who walk dogs, do everything you can to ensure there are no loose dogs out(I will never let my daughter walk Goldie alone again), had a small child been walking a dog that night in my neighborhood, I believe there is a high likelyhood they would have been seriously injured or killed.
I wont post pics here since they are way too graphic, but if any want to see how much damage these Pits can do, e mail me and I will share some pics....................John


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