OT:Pit Bull attack

[zepman]

IGreat post. But Steve is right in his post ,HE wouldnt stand a chance against a pit because he has already convinced himself he cannot win.The mind is a powerful tool, I was raised with a CAN-DO attitude and can see many of you guys are the same way.

Dude - you have no idea what you are talking about. I never said that I wouldn't fight to save my own fucking life... all I said was that you need a weapon, which I would figure out some way to get. You are not "choking out" an attacking pit bull or beating one to death with your bare fucking hands. And either way, you are gonna be suffering some losses yourself... Congrats on your "CAN-DO" attitude", but you have hugely misinterpreted me and my posts...

Steve

Lighten up Francis
You turned this thread into a Dog/Mythical beast vs Man debate and I will not argue anymore with your "book" experience. I do honestly thank you for the well wishes for our Dog though....Rock on...........John

 

[moronmountain]

At 1:30 am last Sunday, we awoke to our home security system in alarm due to no electrical supply. I got up and noticed a light in my backyard. Thinking it may be an intruder with a flashlight, I grabbed my 45 pistol and headed out back. It turned out to be a police dept helo looking for a runner from a hit and run accident which took out a power pole(thus no ac at my house). My 13 year old daughter had a friend spending the night and I decided to move them into the camping trailer out front and run the generater so they would have a/c , TV etc.I grabbed the keys, gun still in pocket and headed out front to open up the trailer for the girls. My son followed (17) carring Golide the cockapoo. The guys who have come by during NAMM should remember her. I had just reached the trailer and stuck my key into the lock when my son came through the gate with Goldie in his hands. All hell broke loose. A pit and a Rott from down the street ran up to Jimmy and the pit began attacking. I ran over kicked it free from my boy , grabbed his collar, stuck my 45(see how lucky it was I was even armed because normally I wouldnt even think of arming myself just to walk to my driveway) to his spine and just started the squeeze when the dogs owner, hearing the commotion came out of the darkness jumping onto his dog to restrain it , not knowing I had a gun. Since I could no longer safely shoot(too many people , too close and over concrete made this shot a high risk for overpenitration and hurting a bystander) and our dog was still in its jaws, I pistol whipped that shithead until it bled and it still didnt whine or let go. I had to put my hands into its mouth and pry it open to get our dog free.
The owner of the pit ran the dogs home and got his truck and away we went 80MPH through red lights etc to get this dog to a vet before she bled out.
After 4 hours surgery they stabilized her enough to think she would live.Here we are 4 days later and she is making HUGE gains each day. Unless there is a problem with infection she will be just fine.
Both of my hands were bitten. The right hand was the worst with two very deep punctures that were connected, so its healing a little slow BUT I got off REALLY lucky with VERY minor bites.
There are so many things to be thankful for in this situation. One is I was armed and had it bee an attack on myself or my kids I could have stopped it immediatly. The risk of overpenitration in that case wouldnt have outwieghed the risk of serious injury or death to a human and I would have had all the justification to shoot. As much as I love our dog, she is not worth risking injuring bystanders with a gunshot.
Also I cant tell you how releived I was to find out that my son was unhurt, in fact once he had lost grip of Goldie, he got out of the way and let Dad handle the Hand to hand combat
The pits owner although his failure to restrain his dogs led to this attack, his actions after that were heroic. He jumped into the frey and helped me fight this fucker and once Goldie was free, without him to drive she would have bled to death since I couldnt hold pressure on the HUGE open wounds and drive at the same time. He also has paid every penny of the vet bills and has many more to follow.
I am so lucky that the Rott didnt join in. She wieghs almost as much as me. She just ran around excited but never engaged.Those two dogs together could have easily killed me or one of my kids.
Guys if you have kids who walk dogs, do everything you can to ensure there are no loose dogs out(I will never let my daughter walk Goldie alone again), had a small child been walking a dog that night in my neighborhood, I believe there is a high likelyhood they would have been seriously injured or killed.
I wont post pics here since they are way too graphic, but if any want to see how much damage these Pits can do, e mail me and I will share some pics....................John

That's what you get!

You instigated the hole event by entering into it.

It's "whole"...... I don't see how he instigated anything. I hope you're joking.

 

[moronmountain]

Attack dogs normally grab a limb. If you decide that you're gonna get bit and be ok with it, then you have a good chance of doing something really bad to that dog. I'll gouge it's eyes, bite it, stuff my hand down it's throat, etc. I'll do whatever including putting both knees, full weight into it's ribs. I'm not gonna let something that weighs 40-50lbs kill me no matter how mean it is. I have had a dog attack me btw.

Like I said, good luck with that. I'd find a weapon of some type.

Bite it. HA! Awesome...

Steve

Dude I don't mean to sound like a jerk here, but it seems you like to argue things that you've "read" about just for the sake of arguing. I'm sorry you're scared of dogs. I'm not that's all. As far as biting it goes, heck yes I'd bite it if that was my only option. Of course I'd rather smack it with something, but I'd do whatever I had to to defend myself. Some people act like victims and some don't.

 

[Anonymous]

Dude I don't mean to sound like a jerk here, but it seems you like to argue things that you've "read" about just for the sake of arguing. I'm sorry you're scared of dogs. I'm not that's all. As far as biting it goes, heck yes I'd bite it if that was my only option. Of course I'd rather smack it with something, but I'd do whatever I had to to defend myself. Some people act like victims and some don't.

1) I said your advice for dealing with a dog attack was bad. You have a different opinion. I don't care anymore, I've made my point and I'm done with this.
3) I'm not arguing. I'm simply discussing something.
2) I'm not afraid of dogs.
3) I do not act like a victim.
4) You are an idiot for saying either of those things because I never implied them
5) Whether you mean to or not you sound like a jerk

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

Lighten up Francis
You turned this thread into a Dog/Mythical beast vs Man debate and I will not argue anymore with your "book" experience. I do honestly thank you for the well wishes for our Dog though....Rock on...........John

1) I'm perfectly relaxed sweetheart, no problems here. I simply pointed out your complete misiniterpretation of what I said.
2) I never said a pit bull was a mythical beast, just a formidable adversary to deal with with just your bare hands
3) You know nothing of my experiences, "book" or actual
4) I sincerely wish the best for your dog and hope for a speedy and complete recovery. I know how hard it would be for me if my dog were similarly injured

Rock on.......Steve

 

[moronmountain]

Dude I don't mean to sound like a jerk here, but it seems you like to argue things that you've "read" about just for the sake of arguing. I'm sorry you're scared of dogs. I'm not that's all. As far as biting it goes, heck yes I'd bite it if that was my only option. Of course I'd rather smack it with something, but I'd do whatever I had to to defend myself. Some people act like victims and some don't.

1) I said your advice for dealing with a dog attack was bad. You have a different opinion. I don't care anymore, I've made my point and I'm done with this.
3) I'm not arguing. I'm simply discussing something.
2) I'm not afraid of dogs.
3) I do not act like a victim.
4) You are an idiot for saying either of those things because I never implied them
5) Whether you mean to or not you sound like a jerk

Steve

Discussing is one thing, but you were being condesending. I wasn't giving advice on how to deal with a dog attack. You came across as being afraid. I'm far from an idiot. If you think what I said makes me a jerk you should look in the mirror. I'm glad you're done with it. That's usually how it goes isn't it? You get to say whatever you want and when you're done then the conversation is over eh? Peace man.

 

[Shawn Lutz]

too bad Michael Vick hasno money left to finance the Pitubll vs. Man Fighting League now we'll never know who would win

 

[moronmountain]

too bad Michael Vick hasno money left to finance the Pitubll vs. Man Fighting League now we'll never know who would win

Now that's funny hehe.

 

[Anonymous]

Discussing is one thing, but you were being condesending. I wasn't giving advice on how to deal with a dog attack. You came across as being afraid. I'm far from an idiot. If you think what I said makes me a jerk you should look in the mirror. I'm glad you're done with it. That's usually how it goes isn't it? You get to say whatever you want and when you're done then the conversation is over eh? Peace man.

That isn't how it went down, however thank you for your perspective. We can continue to to discuss this aspect if you wish, I'm just done going back and forth with you on whether biting or trying to choke out an attacking pit bull is a good way to deal with it.

Also, I didn't become condescending until you actually mentioned biting the dog as a way you might defend yourself. You gotta admit that is a little funny. If you can't see the humor in that well... I'm not sure what to say...

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

too bad Michael Vick hasno money left to finance the Pitubll vs. Man Fighting League now we'll never know who would win

Yeah, that does suck. I wonder if he'd electrocute the humans that didn't seem aggressive enough or do well in "test fights"...

Steve

 

[moronmountain]

Discussing is one thing, but you were being condesending. I wasn't giving advice on how to deal with a dog attack. You came across as being afraid. I'm far from an idiot. If you think what I said makes me a jerk you should look in the mirror. I'm glad you're done with it. That's usually how it goes isn't it? You get to say whatever you want and when you're done then the conversation is over eh? Peace man.

That isn't how it went down, however thank you for your perspective. We can continue to to discuss this aspect if you wish, I'm just done going back and forth with you on whether biting or trying to choke out an attacking pit bull is a good way to deal with it.

Also, I didn't become condescending until you actually mentioned biting the dog as a way you might defend yourself. You gotta admit that is a little funny. If you can't see the humor in that well... I'm not sure what to say...

Steve

I was just trying to make a point that I would act like a psycho if need be to defend myself. I thought it was clear, but maybe it wasn't.

 

[ZachMN]

Just last week here in MPLS a little boy was killed when one of the six! pitbulls, which were chained up in his basement, killed him. Being typically curious for his age, he went into the basement and the dog got a hold of him and killed him. The dad was injured but managed to shoot the dog(in the house!!). Obviously, this 'man' was an idiot and the fact that he had 6 of these animals in the city,(which is very illegal), shows he was into dog fighting.

A guy I work with had a friend 20 years ago who had one of these things and it snapped and locked onto his ankle! He had to kill it with a screwdriver!

Your a better man than me because the pitbull and its owner would have had a lead salad from me had I been there.

 

[mentoneman]

i did some work for a company called DRT while in south africa, and they produce frangible ammo,
designed initially to provide air marshalls the ability to pop a round into the bad guy at 30000 feet without pass through risk or collateral damage.

this bullet basically disintegrates upon impact transforming into a tornado of violent metallic powder, creating cavity damage the size of soccer balls with minimal to no exit wound, instead of the typical mushrooming path of the traditional slug.

i have video of a demo of this bullet in a handgun, where the shooter walks from 20 yards up to point blank range firing the whole time at a piece of metal, and there is zero ricochet and small puffs of powder on the exit point.

and the design spins the bullet so hard that guys are shooting 5 inch groups at 2000 yards due to revolutionary minute angle performance specs.

scary people are using this stuff.

 

[Zachman]

Lighten up Francis
You turned this thread into a Dog/Mythical beast vs Man debate and I will not argue anymore with your "book" experience. I do honestly thank you for the well wishes for our Dog though....Rock on...........John

1) I'm perfectly relaxed sweetheart, no problems here. I simply pointed out your complete misiniterpretation of what I said.
2) I never said a pit bull was a mythical beast, just a formidable adversary to deal with with just your bare hands
3) You know nothing of my experiences, "book" or actual
4) I sincerely wish the best for your dog and hope for a speedy and complete recovery. I know how hard it would be for me if my dog were similarly injured

Rock on.......Steve

You are correct, that fighting a large dog with your bare hands is something to avoid, but I have personally had to do just that and choke out the dog, and know from first hand experience that it can be done, and in my case I didn't so much as have a sweat break out, much less any bites. (LUCKY, perhaps- but skill helped to prevail along with a mindset that the dog was just a dog, not an undefeatable adversary, more like potential food. Attitude plays a HUGE part in winning battles, along with skilled training.)

 

[Zachman]

At 1:30 am last Sunday, we awoke to our home security system in alarm due to no electrical supply. I got up and noticed a light in my backyard. Thinking it may be an intruder with a flashlight, I grabbed my 45 pistol and headed out back. It turned out to be a police dept helo looking for a runner from a hit and run accident which took out a power pole(thus no ac at my house). My 13 year old daughter had a friend spending the night and I decided to move them into the camping trailer out front and run the generater so they would have a/c , TV etc.I grabbed the keys, gun still in pocket and headed out front to open up the trailer for the girls. My son followed (17) carring Golide the cockapoo. The guys who have come by during NAMM should remember her. I had just reached the trailer and stuck my key into the lock when my son came through the gate with Goldie in his hands. All hell broke loose. A pit and a Rott from down the street ran up to Jimmy and the pit began attacking. I ran over kicked it free from my boy , grabbed his collar, stuck my 45(see how lucky it was I was even armed because normally I wouldnt even think of arming myself just to walk to my driveway) to his spine and just started the squeeze when the dogs owner, hearing the commotion came out of the darkness jumping onto his dog to restrain it , not knowing I had a gun. Since I could no longer safely shoot(too many people , too close and over concrete made this shot a high risk for overpenitration and hurting a bystander) and our dog was still in its jaws, I pistol whipped that shithead until it bled and it still didnt whine or let go. I had to put my hands into its mouth and pry it open to get our dog free.
The owner of the pit ran the dogs home and got his truck and away we went 80MPH through red lights etc to get this dog to a vet before she bled out.
After 4 hours surgery they stabilized her enough to think she would live.Here we are 4 days later and she is making HUGE gains each day. Unless there is a problem with infection she will be just fine.
Both of my hands were bitten. The right hand was the worst with two very deep punctures that were connected, so its healing a little slow BUT I got off REALLY lucky with VERY minor bites.
There are so many things to be thankful for in this situation. One is I was armed and had it bee an attack on myself or my kids I could have stopped it immediatly. The risk of overpenitration in that case wouldnt have outwieghed the risk of serious injury or death to a human and I would have had all the justification to shoot. As much as I love our dog, she is not worth risking injuring bystanders with a gunshot.
Also I cant tell you how releived I was to find out that my son was unhurt, in fact once he had lost grip of Goldie, he got out of the way and let Dad handle the Hand to hand combat
The pits owner although his failure to restrain his dogs led to this attack, his actions after that were heroic. He jumped into the frey and helped me fight this fucker and once Goldie was free, without him to drive she would have bled to death since I couldnt hold pressure on the HUGE open wounds and drive at the same time. He also has paid every penny of the vet bills and has many more to follow.
I am so lucky that the Rott didnt join in. She wieghs almost as much as me. She just ran around excited but never engaged.Those two dogs together could have easily killed me or one of my kids.
Guys if you have kids who walk dogs, do everything you can to ensure there are no loose dogs out(I will never let my daughter walk Goldie alone again), had a small child been walking a dog that night in my neighborhood, I believe there is a high likelyhood they would have been seriously injured or killed.
I wont post pics here since they are way too graphic, but if any want to see how much damage these Pits can do, e mail me and I will share some pics....................John

That's what you get!

You instigated the hole event by entering into it.

WOW, just WOW... Your reading comprehension leads me to believe that hooked on phonics never worked for anyone. This is the dumbest thing I've seen anyone write in a LONG time.

 

[zepman]

i did some work for a company called DRT while in south africa, and they produce frangible ammo,
designed initially to provide air marshalls the ability to pop a round into the bad guy at 30000 feet without pass through risk or collateral damage.

this bullet basically disintegrates upon impact transforming into a tornado of violent metallic powder, creating cavity damage the size of soccer balls with minimal to no exit wound, instead of the typical mushrooming path of the traditional slug.

i have video of a demo of this bullet in a handgun, where the shooter walks from 20 yards up to point blank range firing the whole time at a piece of metal, and there is zero ricochet and small puffs of powder on the exit point.

and the design spins the bullet so hard that guys are shooting 5 inch groups at 2000 yards due to revolutionary minute angle performance specs.

scary people are using this stuff.

Hi Pat, frangable ammo has been around for a while and is an excellant choice when overpenitration is an issue. The original theory behind it is a huge temporary cavitation which has been proven in wound ballistics tests to disable an
assailant rather quickly. The reason it has not been the choice for me is that one of the gravest threats to homeowners in current years(in SoCal) has been the home invasion type robberies/murders in which the assailants are wearing body armour. The early generation of frangable ammo did not do well against body armour. I will research the stuff you have pointed out and it may be exactly what I am looking for.http://www.drtammo.com/
http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007702110321
In all honesty, I have never really considered the 4 legged intruder as a threat to my family(while at home) and that was a HUGE oversight on my part. Not that I couldnt have dealt with it had it been a life or death for me or my kids BUT I really was ill equipped for the job. The days prior to this attack I had been training/shooting regular and had left Full metal Jacket ammo in my mags. These would have been a real problem firing point blank into Fido, downward toward concrete with my son 4 feet away and Erik holding onto the rear legs. As in any event like this, I have reviewed what I did right, what I did wrong and how to improve how I do it next time(if there ever is). Thanks for the tip on the ammo. I will let you know how it performs when I get my hands on it...............John

 

[JackBootedThug]

sorry to hear this zep. my dane is 200 lbs. and strong as a bull. thank god he's a big pussy. I couldnt imagine having him if he was even slightly aggresive.

 

[Oblivion DC]

How the hell do you choke that out??!!

 

[zepman]

How the hell do you choke that out??!!

LOL Choking out is NOT my method of choice BUT I am MUCH more scared of the fighters in the UFC and they get choked out all the time I will leave the choking out to the martial arts guys and just stick to general mayhem if this ever happens to me again

 

[Zachman]

How the hell do you choke that out??!!

First requirement is 2 "Normal sized" arms. I am 5'8 and weigh 186 lbs and am not a big guy compared to Kage, for instance, but am compact like a Pit Bull.

Method I used was a rear naked choke w/ my legs hooked around the dog's stomach while laying on my back, and it worked VERY effectively, rendering the dog unconscience in about 6 seconds. The dog has only one primary weapon and that is it's mouth, which was not locked on me, Thank God.

It's a dog brother, NOT a Grizzly bear - and a full grown man can lock in a choke around an animal that sizes' neck, assuming they (the man) have 2 normal sized arms and the know how, intensity and a will to survive or protect another.