Proof there is a God

MontiCristo said:
or where I asked him 18 times if he believes he is eating actual flesh and blood.
or if the bible is the infallible, inerrant word of God.

really wish we had a moderator that could go pull all the questions he asked of me and how many answers I gave compared to how many he ducked.
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All he says is "his church says so" as if that's justification.
 
VonBonfire said:
Bye.
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Ok, I'll compile a list of all the times you were asked to

#1 - back up your claims with something other than "we hold to" or "we believe" or "tradition says"
#2 - prove where it says what you are saying in the bible
#3 - confirm if when taking the Lords supper you are actually eating human flesh and blood
#4 - whether or not the bible is the infallible, inerrant word of God

then I will compile a list of times you asked me questions and I never answered (pretty sure there's only 1 I apparently missed).

take care
come again
but next time be prepared, because no debate ever consisted of someone making claims without substantiating evidence.
 
Thumbpicker said:
All he says is "his church says so" as if that's justification.
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correct, which any intelligent individual viewing from the outside should be very cautious of because He could literally claim anything.
Fascinating and for the record, when the Bereans heard Paul preaching the gospel they examined the scriptures to see if he was telling the truth or not.
so for anyone following, please note, we must always go to the scriptures to see if what is being said is accurate. Not just "my church fathers believe this".
see below

Acts 17 :

And the brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.
 
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and @acceptance I publicly apologize for calling you an insect.
It was rude and I shouldn't have done it.
Id like to say it's because of your repeated "I defer to Von" comments, but there really is no excuse.

I genuinely want people to experience the goodness of Christ and have a right view of the scriptures.
It often felt like you were instigating and that frustrated me.
 
MontiCristo said:
and @acceptance I publicly apologize for calling you an insect.
It was rude and I shouldn't have done it.
Id like to say it's because of your repeated "I defer to Von" comments, but there really is no excuse.

I genuinely want people to experience the goodness of Christ and have a right view of the scriptures.
It often felt like you were instigating and that frustrated me.
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For sake of argument, let's say that the Orthodox Church teaches that Mary was sinless and that contradicts the Bible. My next question is, so what? Does it invalidate the claimed authority of the OC? If yes, how?

@VonBonfire what does the OC say about those identifying as christians outside the OC?
 
acceptance said:
@VonBonfire what does the OC say about those identifying as christians outside the OC?
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They will be treated by God as everyone else outside the OC is treated. It doesn't mean they are going to hell but there is definitely a pecking order in heaven and that can be demonstrated scripturally. Those who live in obedience to Christ and his church and in great humility will be considered great in heaven. Part of that is obedience to the OC i.e making confession, participating in the eucharist regularly, fulfilling a prayer rule, possibly making sojourns to holy places or monastery, visiting the sick or imprisoned, or just helping those who need it without expecting anything in return. Your life needs to show the fruit of orthodoxy.

Baptized OC members will be held to a higher standard than those outside the church. To those who are given much, much will be required. .
 
acceptance said:
For sake of argument, let's say that the Orthodox Church teaches that Mary was sinless and that contradicts the Bible. My next question is, so what? Does it invalidate the claimed authority of the OC? If yes, how?

@VonBonfire what does the OC say about those identifying as christians outside the OC?
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Well it certainly confirms his claim that the OC and the Bible are in “harmony” as he stated multiple times is complete BS.
Let’s kick it back up tomorrow.
 
VonBonfire said:
They will be treated by God as everyone else outside the OC is treated. It doesn't mean they are going to hell but there is definitely a pecking order in heaven and that can be demonstrated scripturally. Those who live in obedience to Christ and his church and in great humility will be considered great in heaven. Part of that is obedience to the OC i.e making confession, participating in the eucharist regularly, fulfilling a prayer rule, possibly making sojourns to holy places or monastery, visiting the sick or imprisoned, or just helping those who need it without expecting anything in return. Your life needs to show the fruit of orthodoxy.

Baptized OC members will be held to a higher standard than those outside the church. To those who are given much, much will be required. .
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This just reaches the peak of Mt Stupid.
We’ve already established that your claims have no reliability.
 
acceptance said:
For sake of argument, let's say that the Orthodox Church teaches that Mary was sinless and that contradicts the Bible. My next question is, so what? Does it invalidate the claimed authority of the OC? If yes, how?

@VonBonfire what does the OC say about those identifying as christians outside the OC?
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I’ll answer this and the other question tomorrow, but you should already know the answer here.
 
VonBonfire said:
making confession, participating in the eucharist regularly, fulfilling a prayer rule, possibly making sojourns to holy places or monastery, visiting the sick or imprisoned, or just helping those who need it without expecting anything in return
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How about, say, attending a christian rock concert at a converted k-mart and then listening to a pastor give a TED talk, having some crackers and juice, voting republican and calling it a day?
 
acceptance said:
How about, say, attending a christian rock concert at a converted k-mart and then listening to a pastor give a TED talk, having some crackers and juice, voting republican and calling it a day?
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If someone is devout I think that the Lord will recognize that aside some of the trappings related to the various churches. They are like orthodox people who haven't yet found orthodoxy because it's not prevalent in the west but they still mostly live in an orthodox way i.e prayer and fasting. No one can fault them for that. But. all who enter heaven will do so as orthodox christians because the body of Christ is in union, not divided. Therefore there will be no other denominations there because heresy isn't part of heaven and the OC is the visible body of Christ on earth.
 
VonBonfire said:
If someone is devout I think that the Lord will recognize that aside some of the trappings related to the various churches. They are like orthodox people who haven't yet found orthodoxy because it's not prevalent in the west but they still mostly live in an orthodox way i.e prayer and fasting. No one can fault them for that. But. all who enter heaven will do so as orthodox christians because the body of Christ is in union, not divided. Therefore there will be no other denominations there because heresy isn't part of heaven and the OC is the visible body of Christ on earth.
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Where does it say that in the Bible?
 
acceptance said:
I'm guessing you'd say that it proves your argument that the OC has no authority in tradition or interpretation and so on.
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Notice he has made himself the authority on biblical matters. He's his own bishop. That's the problem with protestantism. There is no real authority there and the authority that is there disagrees with the other authorities there. It's pure confusion.
 
VonBonfire said:
Notice he has made himself the authority on biblical matters. He's his own bishop. That's the problem with protestantism. There is no real authority there and the authority that is there disagrees with the other authorities there. It's pure confusion.
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Yes. Every protestant is their own ultimate authority on scripture and christian life as they decide which interpretation and so on is correct. I heard that Thomas Jefferson ended up removing whole books from the bible. That's the inevitable conclusion.
 
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