MontiCristo
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He has not
Liar
Proof there is a God
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MontiCristo
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We’re done
acceptance
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He has stated that he is Orthodox and follows the teachings of the church. He is doing his best to convey them. I am not saying that he is citing every source document like a lawyer at a trial would. Do you think Jesus expects that of you?
VonBonfire
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He does't need them, he knows everything already. Pride and arrogance. He will not submit to the fullness of the eucharist therefore he will not receive the fullness of blessings of the faith. It's all 2+2=4 HEY THAT'S MATH in his world. I mean, he's right on one count, but he has cast away the rest of the faith in favor of simplistic explanations that orthodoxy already established long ago. It's like I teach you the cowboy chords and tell you "welp, that's all there is to guitar my man" and then argue when someone shows you a pentatonic scale. THAT AIN"T GUITAR THATS CHINESE STUFF!!!! It's like dealing with a brain damaged person who also has rabies.
MontiCristo
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What does Jesus expect of me @acceptance tell me?
Go on I’m listening
He hasn’t given anything that can be confirmed as truth.
MontiCristo
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Where is any of this in the Bible?
acceptance
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You give a quick glance to confirm the verse supports your preferred interpretation. I am not so sure. There are thousands of years of history that Orthodox theologians have had to consider it. But you think it's the end of the story?
MontiCristo
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I’m done with both of you
Like the blind leading the blind
Remember the early fathers all had unicorns and you can too. It’s true.
Can’t confirm it, just trust me. I promise it’s right.
Like the blind leading the blind
Remember the early fathers all had unicorns and you can too. It’s true.
Can’t confirm it, just trust me. I promise it’s right.
VonBonfire
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acceptance
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It's really interesting to see him try to stuff the vast scope of all of Christian theology into one verse that he's decided means exactly what he thinks it does without any pause, humility or further consideration.
VonBonfire
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When I was debating my baptist brother he was half shouting the whole time quite like monte is doing. I had to tell him to take it down a notch. The further the discussion went, like this one, the more frustrated he became. JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH ALONE!!! Well, thanks for repeating orthodoxy back to me bro. There are all these mega controversies and disputes WITHIN protestantism yet I can go to half a dozen different orthodox denominations and will be welcomed to commune with them because we are one in the body of Christ. That is the beauty of the pre-denominational church, the visible body of Christ on earth.
jdel77
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Sure,
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s41412-021-00113-4
https://academic.oup.com/jaar/article-abstract/XLVII/4/557/744081
While both articles acknowledge that Zorastrianism emerged from a polytheistic older Iranian religion, it evolved into the the monothestic/dualistic form under Zarathustra in the 2nd Century BC.
Canaanism with its' multiple gods was reformed under the Old Testament Judaistic Prophets into monotheism by the 8th, 7th and 6th Centuries BC, absorbing elements of those cults from Monolatry (worshiping one god among many others) to Monotheism (worshipping one god and no other gods are believed to exist).
This is outlined here on P133, also pointing out the obvious similarities between Judaism and Islam:
https://www.researchgate.net/public..._of_their_Basic_Creeds_A_Comparative_Analysis
And this article outlines the reform of monotheistic Israelite Judaism to Christianity as we see it now:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/24460470?seq=6
acceptance
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They yell at each other too.
acceptance
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...pretty sure they've burned each other at the stake as well for not having the right doctrine 
VonBonfire
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Thanks Jdell. Looks like I will have to do some reading. All ears if you offer a summarr or your take etc. I knew zoroastrianism had survived but it'll be interesting to read about the movement towards monotheism played out in the middle east thanks to it.
acceptance
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I'm not sure that this is true. Even today various jewish sects pray to God and Satan (And any "god" who will listen) for example.
VonBonfire
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Which jewish sect prays to satan? I know the sabbateans descended into some kind of satanic heresy with their false messiah Sabbatai Zevi.
acceptance
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I will see if I can find out. I know the reference but I will have to dig to find the specifics.
jdel77
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Nicea was simply a meeting of a few hundred bishops from the East and West of the Roman Christian Empire, which pretty much set the borders, laws and religious beliefs of Christendom.
They all met in Nicea (now in modern day Turkey) to lock in agreement about:
> Whether Jesus was divine like God the Father (Christianity) or not divine (Arianism)
> to settle on a date for Passover
> to deal with the rival cult of Meletius who stated that God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were not united in a Trinity, but all had separate states of reality and purpose and couldn't combine into one
> On top of that, whether the Father and Son were united or separate
> What to do with the believers of rival Christian cults (basically call them heretics and make them outcasts or brutally murder them off)
> What to do with Christians who had been persecuted by the Roman and had "lapsed", but now that things were easing up under the Emperor Licinius, would they be accepted back into Churches.
Long story short, Constantine and a bunch of other movers and shakers locked in the laws of the Empire, formally creating early Christianity by mixing in old school Jewish Judaism with the (relatively) new and popular Jesus cult.
This maintained the monotheism of Judaism by making the new guy (Jesus) the same as the old guy (God).