Proof there is a God

acceptance said:
OMG man. Paul was quoting scripture.
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correct it's scripture, everyone but Jesus was sinful. Thanks for confirming.
as as you can see here Peter clearly states Paul's writings

'as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. '

2 Peter 3:16
https://www.bible.com/bible/3345/2PE.3.16
are scripture.
 
Thumbpicker said:
We have made this point before - they don't want to listen or don't care or both.
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I think I have his position figured out
I say "unicorns don't exist"

and he says "but the bible doesn't say they don't exist"

we are having a discussion about the Bible.
if you can't bring to light what the bible says, don't say anything.
there's no love lost, you just don't know your bible.
the guy is a "luciferian" and has no knowledge of the teachings of the scriptures and he's going to try and educate me?
not having it.
 
@MontiCristo @Thumbpicker Not trying to refute anyone's claim, just wanting to get your take on this thought on Mary being without sin.

Would it be possible that Mary didn't commit a sin only during the time she was pregnant with Jesus? Like she was born with original sin, would have likely committed some sins during her lifetime; both before and after giving birth to Jesus. But during the 9 or so months while pregnant she was able to refrain from committing a sin (maybe by God's grace). Even though it doesn't say that explicitly in the bible is that something that would be possible and not go against the bible?
 
MontiCristo said:
what exactly are you arguing?
It says all people and then you say "it doesn't say mary was sinful"
is mary not included in "all people"
is that your position?
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I'm saying that you're reading that verse through the eyes of a Protestant, with a Protestant framework which biases your interpretation. In a nutshell, I'm saying that it's not a contradiction depending on your 'lens' to believe that Mary was a special case, which she obviously was :ROFLMAO:
 
MadAsAHatter said:
@MontiCristo @Thumbpicker Not trying to refute anyone's claim, just wanting to get your take on this thought on Mary being without sin.

Would it be possible that Mary didn't commit a sin only during the time she was pregnant with Jesus? Like she was born with original sin, would have likely committed some sins during her lifetime; both before and after giving birth to Jesus. But during the 9 or so months while pregnant she was able to refrain from committing a sin (maybe by God's grace). Even though it doesn't say that explicitly in the bible is that something that would be possible and not go against the bible?
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appreciate the question bro.

not possible based on the fact that sin was ubiquitous.
as confirmed by the texts below

'¶Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me. '

Psalm 51:5

Psalm 14:2

2Yahweh looks down from heaven upon the sons of men
To see if there is anyone who has insight,
Anyone who seeks after God.
3They have all turned aside, altogether they have become worthless;
There is no one who does good, not even one

'And Yahweh smelled the soothing aroma; and Yahweh said to Himself, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again strike down every living thing as I have done. '

Genesis 8:21
 
acceptance said:
I'm saying that you're reading that verse through the eyes of a Protestant, with a Protestant framework which biases your interpretation. In a nutshell, I'm saying that it's not a contradiction depending on your 'lens' to believe that Mary was a special case, which she obviously was :ROFLMAO:
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so now she is a "special case".
I'm not going to go around and around with you again.
The bible has refuted every position you've claimed.

Let's just make this easy.
Does the bible state that mary was sinless or holy?
Yes or no?
 
MadAsAHatter said:
@MontiCristo @Thumbpicker Not trying to refute anyone's claim, just wanting to get your take on this thought on Mary being without sin.

Would it be possible that Mary didn't commit a sin only during the time she was pregnant with Jesus? Like she was born with original sin, would have likely committed some sins during her lifetime; both before and after giving birth to Jesus. But during the 9 or so months while pregnant she was able to refrain from committing a sin (maybe by God's grace). Even though it doesn't say that explicitly in the bible is that something that would be possible and not go against the bible?
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My question to you is why does it matter to Orthodox Christians and Catholics that they create a mythology that she was sinless and didn't sin... They are trying to deify her so they can exult her and distract from the main game Jesus. That's one of the Devil's tricks. Get people to worship the wrong thing and misunderstand why Jesus came. Jesus is all we need as our high priest we don't need other priests, saints or Mary. It's a joke really.
 
Thumbpicker said:
My question to you is why does it matter to her that they create a mythology that she was sinless and didn't sin... They are trying to deify her so they can exult her and distract from the main game Jesus. That's one of the Devil's tricks. Get people to worship the wrong thing and misunderstand why Jesus came. Jesus is all we need as our high priest we don't need other priests, saints or Mary. It's a joke really.
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That's just your Protestant perspective. I think the whole thing is a mythology, so it's quite amusing to watch you guys split hairs.
 
acceptance said:
That's just your Protestant perspective. I think the whole thing is a mythology, so it's quite amusing to watch you guys split hairs.
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The problem is knowing you're a satanist I expect you create doubt and agree with what is wrong. The greatest lies are ones that seem reasonable but are flat out wrong.
 
MontiCristo said:
appreciate the question bro.

not possible based on the fact that sin was ubiquitous.
as confirmed by the texts below

'¶Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me. '

Psalm 51:5

Psalm 14:2

2Yahweh looks down from heaven upon the sons of men
To see if there is anyone who has insight,
Anyone who seeks after God.
3They have all turned aside, altogether they have become worthless;
There is no one who does good, not even one

'And Yahweh smelled the soothing aroma; and Yahweh said to Himself, “I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again strike down every living thing as I have done. '

Genesis 8:21
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@MadAsAHatter - Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit. Seems some get confused by His being birthed from a sinful human mother as somehow contradicting His sinlessness. Had He been conceived through normal human interaction, absolutely He would have been sinful and in need of a savior Himself. It is the conception of the Spirit that separates the sinfulness of Mary's humanity. Hope that makes sense.
 
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Thumbpicker said:
My question to you is why does it matter to Orthodox Christians and Catholics that they create a mythology that she was sinless and didn't sin... They are trying to deify her so they can exult her and distract from the main game Jesus.
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You keep bringing up non orthodox talking points, which isn't surprising considering you have zero experience or knowledge of the church. So everything you and montecristo post is in total ignorance. Mary isn't deified in orthodoxy, she simply has a special place above the saints but below Christ since she is Christ's mother. You guys talk about orthodoxy like it's catholicism but you're way off base.
 
VonBonfire said:
You keep bringing up non orthodox talking points, which isn't surprising considering you have zero experience or knowledge of the church. So everything you and montecristo post is in total ignorance. Mary isn't deified in orthodoxy, she simply has a special place above the saints but below Christ since she is Christ's mother. You guys talk about orthodoxy like it's catholicism but you're way off base.
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already went through this yesterday but I'll do it again :

you hold to mary being sinless - so do catholics
you hold to transubstantiation - so do catholics
you "evoke saints" in worship - so do catholics
you have relics of saints - so do catcholics
you believe the church has the ultimate authority - so do catholics.

pretty clear pattern.
prove me wrong.
 
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