The EVH 5150 III Lounge...grab a drink and step inside.

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Hey gang!
I've been itching for the 50 watt version of this amp for a while but, I wanted to share some thoughts/concerns with you guys as owners first.

First off, I'd like to know if the line out on the 50 watt is POST power section i.e. the signal includes the resonance & presence settings in the signal. A plain old preamp out that doesn't include the signal of the resonance & presence means I have to use my Weber MASS instead of just a good resistor load. I'm not totally opposed to using the Weber MASS, I'm just trying to keep the accompanying rack size down as much as possible and, if I end up having to use the MASS, then that's two rack spaces alone.

What sort of signal is output by the headphone output? Is it some sort of pseudo filtered/cab emulated output? Does that signal capture the resonance and presence controls? Could it be used as a good sounding line out to feed my rack efx and on to the stereo power amp?

Keeping the resonance and presence controls intact is really important for me for tuning overall highs and lows depending on where I'm playing and through which cab I'm playing. So, that's why I'm fussing over this so much.

All my guitars are loaded with EMG's. All have 81's in the bridge, and if they're two hum, an EMG 60 in the neck position. Anything I use that has single coils are EMG SA's or S's. So, having said that, the tones I like are a REALLY clean channel one (I love Fender Twins, JC-120's, and Boogie MK1 & MK2 cleans) and, for my crunch sound, I can tell that the 50 watt nails exactly what I want in a second channel when in blue mode. However, my concern is, with the 50 watt sharing tone/gain controls, how far up the gain range can you go so that you have a good, crunchy blue mode without inducing breakup on the green/clean channel? Don't get me wrong, I know I can have it modded by Kruse or FJA to separate the volumes and gains for channels 1 & 2 but, I'd hate for that to be the only way for me to have 'clean' cleans and crunchy channel 2.

I've got everything else figured out as far as efx and whatnot. I'm just scratching my head about the stuff above and would like some feedback/input on this deal.

Also, I know the regular 5150 III and the Stealth are 'true' three channel heads but, I'm trying to keep the size/weight down.

Okay, thoughts? Fire away!

Thanks!
Ray Mitchell
 
Oblivion DC":378kocvv said:
It has occurred to me that this thing would sound great through a pair of Marshall 425B cabs. I sure wish I could get my hands on a couple but they must be the hardest cabs to find anywhere.
That's what I had with my first 5153...a 425B cab. Sounded better than the EVH cab. To me anyway....and they are hard to find. You can get those speakers through a dealer, but 200 per...ouch.
 
Ran my 50watter through a 4x12 loaded with scumbacks last night ..... :shocked: ...... holy shit balls was it awesome :rawk:

I have heard guys talking about "way more gain than you'd ever need" and running through my normal cabs I didn't really "get" that. But going into the scumbacks I now "get" it. The blues channel pretty much was getting the gain levels of the red when using my cabs, and the red was just INSANE (in a great way)

I think 2 of my cabs will be getting some kind of greenback or greenback off shoot in the near future :rock:
 
Anyone running a G-Major and Ground Control with the 50w head? Thinking of ditching my board, and going back to a rack setup.
 
Padre Bonic":2g933qd9 said:
I modded my 100w to stealth specs last week and its a beast!
did the gain mods huh. any other mods?
yah i agree turns the reg into a beast.
 
donho":1ysiwofl said:
Padre Bonic":1ysiwofl said:
I modded my 100w to stealth specs last week and its a beast!
did the gain mods huh. any other mods?
yah i agree turns the reg into a beast.

Where are these mod specs? Can they be done to the 50w?
 
I love my 50 watt. I have both a 1960 and a carvin 212 with carvin's version of the V30's in it.

The 50 watt sounds so much better through my carvin than the marshall.
Just an overall rounder sound. The 1960 cab is bright to me, although when cranked it calms down a bit.

Grreat amp, Blue channel is where I live. A keeper for sure. I owned the Randall Diavlo 45 for a year, sold it back in Nov.

Jammed with it for months, cant really say too many bad things about it except that it sounded very sterile to me. Not much character in tone to my ears. Compared to the 5153 50 watt, its no competition imo.

I had a hard time getting classic rock tones out of the RD45, the EVH does it in spades, and for higher gain, it sounds beautiful.

It was this or the 6505, I had a hard time deciding and ultimately picked the EVH. Very happy I did.
 
thesockmonster":1z45pygs said:
donho":1z45pygs said:
Padre Bonic":1z45pygs said:
I modded my 100w to stealth specs last week and its a beast!
did the gain mods huh. any other mods?
yah i agree turns the reg into a beast.

Where are these mod specs? Can they be done to the 50w?
these were gain mods for the blue ch on the 100 watt reg heads.
 
donho":22o8g5e6 said:
thesockmonster":22o8g5e6 said:
donho":22o8g5e6 said:
Padre Bonic":22o8g5e6 said:
I modded my 100w to stealth specs last week and its a beast!
did the gain mods huh. any other mods?
yah i agree turns the reg into a beast.

Where are these mod specs? Can they be done to the 50w?
these were gain mods for the blue ch on the 100 watt reg heads.
no, I did that at first but now I went full Stealth. I posted a link in this thread somewhere that explains what needs to be done.
 
Padre Bonic":2sb5yp6q said:
donho":2sb5yp6q said:
thesockmonster":2sb5yp6q said:
donho":2sb5yp6q said:
Padre Bonic":2sb5yp6q said:
I modded my 100w to stealth specs last week and its a beast!
did the gain mods huh. any other mods?
yah i agree turns the reg into a beast.

Where are these mod specs? Can they be done to the 50w?
these were gain mods for the blue ch on the 100 watt reg heads.
no, I did that at first but now I went full Stealth. I posted a link in this thread somewhere that explains what needs to be done.
ok. found it. looks like the res mod.
thanks
 
Racerxrated":d6qpu89x said:
Oblivion DC":d6qpu89x said:
It has occurred to me that this thing would sound great through a pair of Marshall 425B cabs. I sure wish I could get my hands on a couple but they must be the hardest cabs to find anywhere.
That's what I had with my first 5153...a 425B cab. Sounded better than the EVH cab. To me anyway....and they are hard to find. You can get those speakers through a dealer, but 200 per...ouch.

Dude - point me at a dealer that has these speakers to sell. I'll scrounge up the cash just hook me with the info. :thumbsup:
 
Oblivion DC":9wrb7e78 said:
Racerxrated":9wrb7e78 said:
Oblivion DC":9wrb7e78 said:
It has occurred to me that this thing would sound great through a pair of Marshall 425B cabs. I sure wish I could get my hands on a couple but they must be the hardest cabs to find anywhere.
That's what I had with my first 5153...a 425B cab. Sounded better than the EVH cab. To me anyway....and they are hard to find. You can get those speakers through a dealer, but 200 per...ouch.

Dude - point me at a dealer that has these speakers to sell. I'll scrounge up the cash just hook me with the info. :thumbsup:
Www.tubesandmore. com...part number M-SPKR-00095....198 per spkr. It's a special order, takes couple months to get them. Enjoy!
 
jinch0":23apgtf6 said:
I'm playing my 50 watter through a cheap jet city 2x12 with a wgs veteran 30 and et65 mix :rock: Fat sounding with lots of clarity

Could have had a full ivory setup... :doh:

C'mon, had to razz you. Enjoy, buddy!
 
Racerxrated":3k6fk8hd said:
Oblivion DC":3k6fk8hd said:
Racerxrated":3k6fk8hd said:
Oblivion DC":3k6fk8hd said:
It has occurred to me that this thing would sound great through a pair of Marshall 425B cabs. I sure wish I could get my hands on a couple but they must be the hardest cabs to find anywhere.
That's what I had with my first 5153...a 425B cab. Sounded better than the EVH cab. To me anyway....and they are hard to find. You can get those speakers through a dealer, but 200 per...ouch.

Dude - point me at a dealer that has these speakers to sell. I'll scrounge up the cash just hook me with the info. :thumbsup:
http://Www.tubesandmore. com...part number M-SPKR-00095....198 per spkr. It's a special order, takes couple months to get them. Enjoy!

Thanks for the tip man. I didn't see that part number listed on the site when I did a search but I dug around in google for a bit and found another reference to the G12C speakers posted less than a year ago. Same website so I'm wondering if it's a special order only on these.


http://marshallroadhouse.com/viewtopic. ... 71#p149750
You can still order the g12c speakers themselves and toss them in a standard 1960 cab and same difference.

Speakers can be found at Antique Electronics Supply on the web at http://www.tubesandmore.com.

Per AES support:

"The Marshall part number M-SPKR-00095 does come up on the Marshall parts list. This would be a special order. The estimated cost per speaker is $140.63. Please contact a sales representative at 480-820-5411. A 50% non-refundable deposit would be required to place the order. Please note that Marshall special orders can take 4+ weeks to receive."

I'll give them a call on Monday and see.
 
what 12ax7 tubes are you guys rockin? I have a truckload of mixed brands including a bunch of Chinese 12ax7b's that have always sounded great. I know that some of the sockets are splitting the preamp V1 V2 and such. Which ones effect the tone more? I have been using the green set very clean and red for gain.
 
lettmusic":1f0nwb80 said:
prsplayer86":1f0nwb80 said:
I'm going to play a FJA modded 5150 III this weekend and going to take clips.. I'm thinking I might be handing him a large sum of cash shortly afterwards. lol
I heard some amzing Marshall mods by FJA, this is very interesting. Please post what you gathered :rock:

So I played this particular head through a very good cab(mills) and with a great guitar. It was well above average and probably even better than I remember the stock head being.
 
gtrplr71":2hu251xx said:
what 12ax7 tubes are you guys rockin? I have a truckload of mixed brands including a bunch of Chinese 12ax7b's that have always sounded great. I know that some of the sockets are splitting the preamp V1 V2 and such. Which ones effect the tone more? I have been using the green set very clean and red for gain.
i love the eh 12ax7a, but i am trying the tung sols 12ax7a. hi gain pre tubes but they sound nice cleaned up too.
 
gtrplr71":orgv2hzs said:
what 12ax7 tubes are you guys rockin? I have a truckload of mixed brands including a bunch of Chinese 12ax7b's that have always sounded great. I know that some of the sockets are splitting the preamp V1 V2 and such. Which ones effect the tone more? I have been using the green set very clean and red for gain.


I was having issues with the stock tubes. Nothing malfunctioning, I just wasn't really liking them. I put in a double fist full of NOS RFT, Siemens, Ampherex, and a Telefunkin in the PI and now it absolutely brings the beast.
 
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