Well All My Gear May Be Destroyed...

Since this is the bigger thread going on this topic and already has some political points in it, I figured Id post this here.

So it doesn't become an echo chamber of my own opinions, I'll listen to what both sides have to say about the same coin. It's amazing how polar opposite these 2 video's comments are on the same event. I'm sure the FULL truth is somewhere in the middle, but to me one video seems closer to the truth of the situation and the other seems more full of shit. Even though y'all probably know what I think about which is which, I'll let y'all watch and decide for yourself.

The first 10 or so minutes of the DeVory Darkins video is all you need to watch for the specific comparison. He still talks about the fires after that but isn't quite 1:1 for comparison to the Midas video.




For me there is no ambiguity. First was the russia hoax, then the covid hoax, then the "it was the most secure election in history" hoax.

The left have lost all benefit of the the doubt. They are liars and criminals and are more than willing to gaslight people.

I saw with my own eyes and heard with my own ears. The left is responsible for this tragedy, nothing will change my mind.
 
There are always things that could be done better. I live in a fire prone area of BC too. Doesn't it seem strange to you that the frequency of fires affecting our towns has increased exponentially in the last decade? It's not all democrat incompetence. An entire town burnt down last summer in Alberta which is far right conservative.
How can I say this....
It's fucking climate change bro.
I can't tell is your being serious or not with that response. But let's assume that climate change played a role in facilitating circumstances (overly dry brush) that would contribute to starting a fire, let's suppose that contributing factor does exists: Would you care to address all the many other factors laid out in Mr. Shellenberger's article that include broadly undisputed events, facts and figures? Perhaps you can comment on the LA Fire Chief placing the blame squarely on the shoulders of local government?

If you are sticking with "It's fucking climate change bro" as your response after reading that article, I would say that you are intellectually lazy at best. And I would be forced to conclude that it would not be possible to have a productive or even interesting discussion or debate on this issue.
 
Explain how the katabatic winds endemic to that area for eons that are driving these fires are caused by climate change. Explain how a bunch of greenies who allowed their properties to be covered in thick vegetation is caused by climate change.
This thread really explains a lot about America.
 
I can't tell is your being serious or not with that response. But let's assume that climate change played a role in facilitating circumstances (overly dry brush) that would contribute to starting a fire, let's suppose that contributing factor does exists: Would you care to address all the many other factors laid out in Mr. Shellenberger's article that include broadly undisputed events, facts and figures? Perhaps you can comment on the LA Fire Chief placing the blame squarely on the shoulders of local government?

If you are sticking with "It's fucking climate change bro" as your response after reading that article, I would say that you are intellectually lazy at best. And I would be forced to conclude that it would not be possible to have a productive or even interesting discussion or debate on this issue.
The massive increase in fires in the last decade isn't odd to you?
 
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Good thing we have "new" leadership to straighten things out on X & Faux knews.

Hey breaking news. Good to see new progress.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/13/politics/pete-hegseth-confederate-generals-military-bases/index.html
 
Explain how the katabatic winds endemic to that area for eons that are driving these fires are caused by climate change. Explain how a bunch of greenies who allowed their properties to be covered in thick vegetation is caused by climate change.
You may find this interesting reading.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/11/wildfires-los-angeles-climate-crisis-john-vaillant

"We don’t know who or what exactly started the Los Angeles wildfires but what role has (climate change) played?"

It’s certainly not the cause of the fires, but it is an enhancer, an enabler and an energizer of the fires. I coined a term in Fire Weather, which is “21st-century fires”. It burns fundamentally differently than it used to, and it’s responding to climate change and the atmosphere’s growing ability to hold heat at low elevations and heat everything around us. Climate science ain’t rocket science. When you make things hotter and drier, they burn more easily. We have basically tweaked nature, pissed it off and we have altered the climate of this planet in a way that makes it more hostile to our ambitions and safety.

How do you connect Canada’s 2016 Fort McMurray fire, which you documented extensively in your book, to other massive fires like we saw more recently in Paradise, Maui and now Los Angeles?

The intensity of the fire that burned through Fort McMurry in 2016, in the sub-Arctic of Canada when there was still ice on the lakes, burned basically the same way as the ones in LA. You had the drought, you had the fuel, you had the wind and that’s all you need. That can be recreated anywhere in the world. Any city can burn now. LA is effectively surrounded by fires and the wind will decide the fate of LA. That is a weird situation to be in, but it’s also a very honest one. I don’t care what business you’re in, nature owns 51% of it, at least. We act as if we own it. We share it. That’s what LA is discovering.

What would you say to political leaders and billionaires who put the blame for these fires on Los Angeles mayor Karen Bass or Governor Gavin Newsom?

Unfortunately, we have the most powerful people in the world trying to distract and obfuscate and frankly lie about this. The idea of leaders lying about science is so fundamentally wrong and damaging and civilization-corroding. What do you do when the future president of the United States attacks the most populous state in the union? Using every opportunity to foment division and partisanship is absolutely toxic – as toxic as supercharging the atmosphere with fossil fuels that make the entire world more combustible.
 
You may find this interesting reading.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/11/wildfires-los-angeles-climate-crisis-john-vaillant

"We don’t know who or what exactly started the Los Angeles wildfires but what role has (climate change) played?"

It’s certainly not the cause of the fires, but it is an enhancer, an enabler and an energizer of the fires. I coined a term in Fire Weather, which is “21st-century fires”. It burns fundamentally differently than it used to, and it’s responding to climate change and the atmosphere’s growing ability to hold heat at low elevations and heat everything around us. Climate science ain’t rocket science. When you make things hotter and drier, they burn more easily. We have basically tweaked nature, pissed it off and we have altered the climate of this planet in a way that makes it more hostile to our ambitions and safety.

How do you connect Canada’s 2016 Fort McMurray fire, which you documented extensively in your book, to other massive fires like we saw more recently in Paradise, Maui and now Los Angeles?

The intensity of the fire that burned through Fort McMurry in 2016, in the sub-Arctic of Canada when there was still ice on the lakes, burned basically the same way as the ones in LA. You had the drought, you had the fuel, you had the wind and that’s all you need. That can be recreated anywhere in the world. Any city can burn now. LA is effectively surrounded by fires and the wind will decide the fate of LA. That is a weird situation to be in, but it’s also a very honest one. I don’t care what business you’re in, nature owns 51% of it, at least. We act as if we own it. We share it. That’s what LA is discovering.

What would you say to political leaders and billionaires who put the blame for these fires on Los Angeles mayor Karen Bass or Governor Gavin Newsom?

Unfortunately, we have the most powerful people in the world trying to distract and obfuscate and frankly lie about this. The idea of leaders lying about science is so fundamentally wrong and damaging and civilization-corroding. What do you do when the future president of the United States attacks the most populous state in the union? Using every opportunity to foment division and partisanship is absolutely toxic – as toxic as supercharging the atmosphere with fossil fuels that make the entire world more combustible.
Please explain how katabatic winds, which are the driving factor behind the fires, and something endemic to the LA area, are caused by climate change. Please explain how allowing greenery to grow next to, and over the top of your home, is not a factor in these fires. Otherwise you should head back to TGP where the other mental defectives will glad hand your climate change blame with zeal.
 
Please explain how katabatic winds, which are the driving factor behind the fires, and something endemic to the LA area, are caused by climate change. Please explain how allowing greenery to grow next to, and over the top of your home, is not a factor in these fires. Otherwise you should head back to TGP where the other mental defectives will glad hand your climate change blame with zeal.
So, you didn't read?
 
Please explain how katabatic winds, which are the driving factor behind the fires, and something endemic to the LA area, are caused by climate change. Please explain how allowing greenery to grow next to, and over the top of your home, is not a factor in these fires. Otherwise you should head back to TGP where the other mental defectives will glad hand your climate change blame with zeal.
Funny though, the winds likely wouldn't be a problem if not for the record heat and dryness in what is usually your wettest month.
 
So, you didn't read?
I will gladly read your fantasy stories after you explain how climate change causes katabatic winds but I'm guessing you don't know what katabatic winds are so some reading will also be required on your part. Let me make a prediction that the next catastrophe facing the burnt areas will be landslides, now that all the greenery holding the hills together is burnt off. See: Oakland hills.
 
That to me then should have been a sign to take even more precautions than normal, which I watched the LA chief herself say they failed at doing.
Cities simply aren't equipped to fight wildfires. More people and equipment may have helped mitigate the damage by maybe 10%, but a fire like that is basically unstoppable. It's happened over and over again in the last 5-10 years.

Paradise
Maui
Fort McMurray
Jasper
Lytton
Athens
Spain
Portugal
Siberia

And now LA.


Record fires all over the world. There is really only one possible explanation, and yet it's anathema for many here to accept the simple facts for some reason. It's easier just to blame someone, especially a political opponent.
Anyway, I'm very happy the OPs house was spared. All the best to everyone living through this tragedy.
 
You'll notice that the deniers of climate change immediately resort to personal attacks against me. That's fine.
 
Cities simply aren't equipped to fight wildfires. More people and equipment may have helped mitigate the damage by maybe 10%, but a fire like that is basically unstoppable. It's happened over and over again in the last 5-10 years.

Paradise
Maui
Fort McMurray
Jasper
Lytton
Athens
Spain
Portugal
Siberia

And now LA.


Record fires all over the world. There is really only one possible explanation, and yet it's anathema for many here to accept the simple facts for some reason. It's easier just to blame someone, especially a political opponent.
Anyway, I'm very happy the OPs house was spared. All the best to everyone living through this tragedy.


how exactly do you calculate what the percentage of damage would be if precautions were taken?? :confused: like i said, i worked for my towns conservation dept and when we had a couple close call fires one summer we took action, the same action the fire chief and others said was not taken, we've had many drier summers in the 25 years since then and we've had no problems since. would the precautions stop the threat completely?? maybe not, but it sure seems like the better way to go to me. what exactly would you do then to help prevent this again?? ban oil?? more regulations?? more taxes to combat climate change?? this was my point about people going down with the ship, not learning and then getting on the boat again, you can still be on one side and say maybe things werent done right
 
But the winds happen every year. What has ...err...changed lately?
Poor forest management. Ill prepared authorities. You pretend like drought is something new to the southwestern US when it's a historic reality my man. Like a piano player who can only play in the key of C "cLimAtE cHaNgE" is all you can come up with as a reason.
 
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