Wizard MTL vs MC shootout UPDATE WITH DOUBLE TRACK IN ORIGINAL POST

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If I ever got an MTL it would definitely be the MK2 because of this, but I think I would prefer an MC2 just because I need tightness for the stuff i like to play. Does the mark 2 MTL tighten up with a boost though? I only ever hear people dial these amps like living room warriors in the clips though, so i'm not confident like I am about the MC, VC, and Metal, which i've actually played in person
It does tighten up a fair bit. With a TC style boost you could get it real tight. BUT, From what I’ve heard you play, and your style the MTL would probably not be your thing. Better off just going MC or hell razor… probably more your deal.
 
It does tighten up a fair bit. With a TC style boost you could get it real tight. BUT, From what I’ve heard you play, and your style the MTL would probably not be your thing. Better off just going MC or hell razor… probably more your deal.

That makes a lot of sense, a TC boost will tighten anything up :ROFLMAO:

Thanks for posting the clip bram!
 
im not understanding. i like his hellrazor clips.
I'm the opposite. I did not care for Bram's Hell razor clips near as much as I do these. To my ears these are smooth and chunky with a glistening sheen to the top end whereas I found the hell razor to ba a little more brittle on top to my ears.

Where is @Techdeth ? THIS IS A WIZARD THREAD, GET YOUR ASS IN HERE CHIEF!!!!!
 
That makes a lot of sense, a TC boost will tighten anything up :ROFLMAO:

Thanks for posting the clip bram!
If you want to just see if you’d like the overall sound as a test run, I’d recommend getting a deliverance and boosting it. A wizard is better, but they have enough in common in my opinion to decide whether it’s for you or not. If you dig it then splurge.



Have it with a Deadweald duality here
 
If you want to just see if you’d like the overall sound as a test run, I’d recommend getting a deliverance and boosting it. A wizard is better, but they have enough in common in my opinion to decide whether it’s for you or not. If you dig it then splurge.



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I've played the deliverance 60 and 120 before so I'm pretty familiar - I like them alot

I actually probably like the deliverance series more than the mark i MTL I played, maybe not as much as the modern classic though
 
A boost will tighten up the MTL. Don't really need it if you turn it up. But I like the Koko boost and the Wizard Leopard. turn the amp boost off and gain at about noon. Sounds killer.

The D60 is definitely a favorite of mine as well. Definitely recommend that amp as well.
 
......I don't care what anyone says, that Modern Classic is absolutely badass sounding. I'm ready to get nasty and argumentative about it if anyone feels like disagreeing. I'm sick of a thread stuck on standby. The MC rules, plus Bram was doing that metal chin up thing as soon as he started the chug so you know that amp is pretty much the winner just a few moments into the demo. Not an opinion so stick that in your telecASSter if you don't like it.
 
So just explain to me how it works.. Myself and Bram have a couple of the same amps, the clips he has done of those amps are accurate to what i hear in my room, hence my trust in his clips, along with a few other guys... what changes when its a Wizard that what is accurate for every other amp all of a sudden isnt accurate and i shouldnt have any kind of opinion?? im not understanding. i like his hellrazor clips.
Well, right there that tells me something's up with clips that just doesn't seem to translate for you very well. Because, although the HR is a different Wiz model there aren't any HUGE differences between it and the other Wizards. They all have the same Marshall/HiWatt hybrid thing with different mids, or a hollow midrange like the MTL. Wizards all do the same type of thing with small differences...gain amount, midrange differences etc. But nothing truly 'like it's a totally different amp' thing at all.

My point is, when it comes to you evaluating an amplifier you always point out "Well show me a good clip of an SLO" for example. Like somehow that is the ONLY way to tell what an amp is all about. You own a C+; yet any clip I've ever heard of a C+ makes it sound just like a Mk III. But, in the room the C+ is FAR better sounding and feeling than any Mk III. So, by your logic since the C+ clips are no different than a Mk III they're the same amp.
SLOs are killer amps; yet you think they can't be because of crap or average clips. You base everything on how good of a 'clip' you can find of any amp. Yet a clip won't translate the 'in the room' tone, feel, thump ever. Clips are cool and I can appreciate all the hard work you and others put into clips, but to judge an amplifier on clips alone is silly at best. At worst, it keeps you from even trying other amps because the clips suck in your opinion. I've heard clips of amps that don't even remotely resemble the tone I get in the room. That's why I ask opinions of amps, as well as listen to clips.
If you want to hear a Wizard in action, listen to The Pretty Reckless Going to Hell...that's an MCII. Pretty killer tone IMO. There's a 'clip' that you should like.
 
I agree with you 100% on this, I didn't care for the clip either, rather harsh, bloated mess. I've wanted to get a MTL for a while but after all the clips i've heard I don't think i'm gonna do it. I mean there is the in the room sound, but the sound under a mic is the way everyone is going to hear it, so that's important to me.


i have heard good clips, Redb4blacks rips, ultimatemetal, greatgreen have good ones, brams hellrazor.. they all have other amps i like more though, and besides them ive not heard anything that has me running for my debit card to be polite :ROFLMAO:

People pm you for not liking wizards? Lmao

its happened a few times lol, why my asshole opinion is so important to some i dont know but im flattered haha
 
NAH BRAH MY CAMRY JUST AS GOOD AS YOUR JAGUAR




If I ever got an MTL it would definitely be the MK2 because of this, but I think I would prefer an MC2 just because I need tightness for the stuff i like to play. Does the mark 2 MTL tighten up with a boost though? I only ever hear people dial these amps like living room warriors in the clips though, so i'm not confident like I am about the MC, VC, and Metal, which i've actually played in person
Mtl2 tight as fuck with a boost. Just like the mcii.
 
i have heard good clips, Redb4blacks rips, ultimatemetal, greatgreen have good ones, brams hellrazor.. they all have other amps i like more though, and besides them ive not heard anything that has me running for my debit card to be polite :ROFLMAO:



its happened a few times lol, why my asshole opinion is so important to some i dont know but im flattered haha
I wish you would play one. Then you could hate it but understand why it is popular. Wizards are pretty cool amps. But there are a lot of cool amps out there. I would like to try a few of your amps. Some of the clips are pretty nasty
 
For what it’s worth, type of music I play I wouldn’t play either one of these unboosted. But I did want to include both unboosted and boosted for the complainers with me boosting everything lol. End of the video is where I live with these amps pretty much.
 
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I was with you til the drop C stuff.
Do some Major chords in standard pitch w/a Gibson for the music Majors.
 
Well, right there that tells me something's up with clips that just doesn't seem to translate for you very well. Because, although the HR is a different Wiz model there aren't any HUGE differences between it and the other Wizards. They all have the same Marshall/HiWatt hybrid thing with different mids, or a hollow midrange like the MTL. Wizards all do the same type of thing with small differences...gain amount, midrange differences etc. But nothing truly 'like it's a totally different amp' thing at all.

My point is, when it comes to you evaluating an amplifier you always point out "Well show me a good clip of an SLO" for example. Like somehow that is the ONLY way to tell what an amp is all about. You own a C+; yet any clip I've ever heard of a C+ makes it sound just like a Mk III. But, in the room the C+ is FAR better sounding and feeling than any Mk III. So, by your logic since the C+ clips are no different than a Mk III they're the same amp.
SLOs are killer amps; yet you think they can't be because of crap or average clips. You base everything on how good of a 'clip' you can find of any amp. Yet a clip won't translate the 'in the room' tone, feel, thump ever. Clips are cool and I can appreciate all the hard work you and others put into clips, but to judge an amplifier on clips alone is silly at best. At worst, it keeps you from even trying other amps because the clips suck in your opinion. I've heard clips of amps that don't even remotely resemble the tone I get in the room. That's why I ask opinions of amps, as well as listen to clips.
If you want to hear a Wizard in action, listen to The Pretty Reckless Going to Hell...that's an MCII. Pretty killer tone IMO. There's a 'clip' that you should like.


Techdeath says his iii is better than his iic+
 
III is a metal machine. That is probably the disconnect. You have a bunch of rock guys trying to influence metal guys
 
III is a metal machine. That is probably the disconnect. You have a bunch of rock guys trying to influence metal guys

That is definitely a disconnect - there's also "modern" metal guys trying to influence "classic" metal guys, when all three are completely different tones with different tonal references and needs

Alot of the cranked plexi "brown" tones people jizz over sound like fucking sloppy dogshit to me, and the drop K polyphia tapping sounds like anodyne guitarpro4 MIDI files

I think there's just as theres a big gap musically between Dokken, EVH, Extreme vs Jag Panzer, Grave Digger, Iced Earth vs Polyphia, Gojira, Meshuggah

There's an even bigger gap TONALLY - even with the same amp sometimes
 
NAH BRAH MY CAMRY JUST AS GOOD AS YOUR JAGUAR




If I ever got an MTL it would definitely be the MK2 because of this, but I think I would prefer an MC2 just because I need tightness for the stuff i like to play. Does the mark 2 MTL tighten up with a boost though? I only ever hear people dial these amps like living room warriors in the clips though, so i'm not confident like I am about the MC, VC, and Metal, which i've actually played in person
The Hell Razor is tighter, faster with sharper attack than both. My favorite version by far and I’d imagine more up your alley. I don’t know if it’s because it’s the KT150 version or just a Hell Razor, but it has less low mids than I remember getting in the MC and MTL I had, but actually capable I find of more upper mids than both if set right. There is something different in its uppermid quality. I can almost make it even sound like my Hermansson’s, but not all the way there
 
That is definitely a disconnect - there's also "modern" metal guys trying to influence "classic" metal guys, when all three are completely different tones with different tonal references and needs

Alot of the cranked plexi "brown" tones people jizz over sound like fucking sloppy dogshit to me, and the drop K polyphia tapping sounds like anodyne guitarpro4 MIDI files

I think there's just as theres a big gap musically between Dokken, EVH, Extreme vs Jag Panzer, Grave Digger, Iced Earth vs Polyphia, Gojira, Meshuggah

There's an even bigger gap TONALLY - even with the same amp sometimes
I enjoy tones in all those styles. It’s just about for me getting what I feel is the best version of them with the most tonal complexity. Sort of like I can enjoy red, blue, green, etc, but want the nicest versions of them

Now I don’t necessarily enjoy the music or playing itself in all those styles. That can be a different story lol and I’ll admit never have I ever yet heard a good tone in the polyphia ballpark, but the others I wanna say I have for all and I still think it’s possible even if I haven’t heard it yet
 
 
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